Planet X and 2012: Why a 3600-Year Planet X (Nibiru) Doesn’t Exist

February 6, 2009

Planet X and 2012: Why a 3600-Year Planet X (Nibiru) Doesn’t Exist

Filed under: conspiracy theories,doomsday,logical fallacy,misconceptions,planet x — Stuart Robbins @ 12:30 am
Tags: 2012, Anunnaki, astronomy, doomsday, galactic alignment, mayan calendar, mayan prophecy, nibiru, planet x, pole shift, winter solstice 2012, Zecharia Sitchin

Introduction

Those of you reading the title of this post may be wondering why I choose to address such a specific and odd-sounding claim: Why would I claim that there isn’t a Planet X coming around that has a period (its year) of 3600 Earth years? That seems like such an odd claim.

However, it features very prominently in Zecharia Sitchin’s claims of Planet X (which he calls Nibiru), its alien population known as the Anunnaki, and them coming to steal all our gold in 2012. He was pretty much one of the infamous founding fathers of the modern Planet X movement (at least as it relates to aliens) by his reading of interpretation of Sumerian texts.

I still haven’t quite decided whether or not to devote a post to his claims because I’m not a Sumerian scholar, I don’t play one on TV, and most of his claims deal with aliens’ desire for gold and not with actual astronomy claims. But, he claims that the year of this planet lasts 3600 Earth years, and that the Anunnaki’s planet last came around nearly 3600 years ago.

All posts in this series:

First Off, Why There’s No Planet X Coming in the Near Future

Rather than repeat myself, I will refer to the two posts on this topic that I’ve already written: “Planet X and 2012: The Real and Historical Story of Planet X” and “Planet X and 2012: Why Planet X Is NOT Coming in 2012.”

Why Planet X Didn’t Visit (Almost) 3600 Years Ago

Disclaimer: This is another case of proving a negative, which you really can’t do in astronomy. However, the evidence that I can present that it didn’t come by should either convince you or cast serious doubt on much of the other evidence that people present for it having come by.

And that’s really in this simple statement: Planet X folks place huge emphasis on the skill of ancient civilizations to make astronomical observations. The Mayans had their amazing calendar and knew everything about Venus’ orbit. The Chinese have the oldest records of comets. All 15 major civilizations in 705 B.C. apparently revised their calendar within the next 5 years due to observing Earth’s year had switched from 360 days per year to 365. These are all major pieces of “evidence” for various claims in the Planet X and 2012 doomsday scenario and conspiracy.

So let’s assume that’s correct.

If that is correct, then these same civilizations, a mere 3600 (nearly) years ago must have observed something as large as a planet that reached – if nothing else – as close as the inner solar system. After all, the Chinese could see comets, much smaller than a planet. They could see Saturn, much farther away than Mars (by a factor of around 25 times). And they knew that these objects were different than regular stars. They recorded them. Practically every civilization knew about them.

And yet, somehow, there exist no records whatsoever of a planetary body encroaching on the inner solar system.

If nothing else, this is the blatant logical fallacy of “inconsistency.” They were great astronomers. Yet they all managed to miss this gigantic event.

The only efforts I’ve seen that attempt to explain this simply are required to resort to conspiracy theories: The evidence was there but every single shred of it, and everyone who knew about it, has been kept hidden by the world governments. Except for those token few who manage to get the truth out, past the Army of Darkness, to be brought into the Light. (Yet somehow they are not subject to attempts of silencing.)

Final Thoughts

It occurs to me that in my blog, of late, I’ve strayed a bit into resorting to some sarcasm and a teensy bit of ad hominem attacks. I really haven’t done the latter, at least not directed at any one person. I’ve simply examined the claims directly and only based tests of validity on them. Not said they’re wrong based on the person (or group) making them.

However, I fully admit to the sarcasm seeping into the blog. At least as I continue to explore the 2012 and Planet X claims. I think it’s because I’m starting to get a little weary of the topic when the claims are so demonstrably wrong and not internally consistent (an example of the former being the galactic alignment, an example of the latter being this post). It’s difficult not to get a little snarky, as I did in the last paragraph of the last section.

But the point remains: If you’re going to tell a story, be consistent. A theory has to explain the evidence. The evidence can’t contradict itself. And you can’t selectively look at some evidence and not other evidence. So you simply can’t say ancient civilizations three millennia ago were stupendous astronomers and yet they somehow missed a giant planet that swung by.

Comments (67)

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Wait a minute. Some of these people believe that there are organisms living on a planet with a 3600 year cycle? I’d be interested to know how a species (let alone a whole planet of them) could evolve that would survive being as close to the sun as the Earth and as far away from the sun as they claim Planet X gets. Anything that could survive close to the sun (like us humans) would freeze to death on the outer reaches of the orbit, and anything that could survive out there would die from the heat near the sun. And on top of that, they want to steal our gold? (They sound like leprechauns!) Man, that’s a lot of BS to have to swallow to believe this theory.

Comment by Darrin — February 7, 2009 @ 10:34 am | Reply
- I watched footage of an astronaut recording data on the moon and relaying info of a small ship.the shop is video recorded and was said to be a billion years old. Almost all of the parts were made of gold… can’t tell you if its real or not but that could be the explanation for them wanting gold I guess
  
  Comment by Brian — November 27, 2011 @ 11:02 am | Reply
  - Ship not shop
    
    Comment by Brian — November 27, 2011 @ 11:03 am
Darrin;

The proponents of this theory are really good at inventing ad hoc explanations for every objection. The inhabitants of Nibiru live inside the planet and heat it artificially, etc.

Add to this that ‘Nibiru’ has basically been hijacked by the 2012 movement. If I recall correctly Sitchin claimed that Nibiru would return later this century, not in 2012.

Comment by astrogeek — February 12, 2009 @ 8:16 am | Reply
I’ve had fun watching youtube videos of people claiming to have pictures of Nibiru, that there’s a big coverup by all astronomers, etc. Now, here’s a guy that used to have a Nibiru video, but took it down when it turned out his video was actually a star. But his other videos make me laugh. All about how the Big Bang is disproved. Take a look: http://www.youtube.com/user/mnemeth1

Comment by earthandbeyond — February 14, 2009 @ 10:10 pm | Reply
The celestial mechanics theorem for a planetary mass the alleged size of Nibiru entering our solar system every 3,600 or 3,760 years with the perihelion point of its orbit slightly beyond the asteroid belt dictates that it would have attracted hundreds or thousands of asteroids to itself in each passage (causing extinction level events on Nibiru), as well as sending other asteroids off in the direction of the other planets and the sun. You’ll find that anyone who promotes the existence of Nibiru, or Planet X, cannot provide the celestial mechanics theorem, because of the existing planetary configurations and the asteroid belt. The undisturbed asteroid belt is proof positive that a physical, planetary Nibiru of the Sitchin kind doesn’t exist.
Dean Sloan
Amateur astronomer

Comment by Dean Sloan — April 6, 2009 @ 12:51 pm | Reply
- Yes, after a million orbits of the sun, there should be no Asteroid belt at all.
  
  Comment by himnextdoor — February 17, 2010 @ 12:18 pm | Reply
I have just followed your link to the ‘galactic alignment’ discussion. I was not concerned about 2012 at all but after reading your work(astrostu), now I am. I always assumed that the Mayan calendar worked because of astonomical ‘markers’ to define the count start. In 3114 BC this was the so called ‘birth of venus’ Now you tell me that no rare astronomical ‘event’ occurs in 2012. So I look back to 8239 BC like you said and again no rare astonomical ‘event’. If this is true what event did they mark their start date with in 8238 BC similarly in 2012 AD what will they mark their start date with? If their is no astronomical event in 2012 then the Mayan calendar has inbuilt redundancy, that is it cannot work after 2012 and could not work before 3114 BC. This now suggests to me that the Mayans did not cycle their calendar many times and had no intention of it being useful after 2012. Indeed they deliberately made it useless by counting down instead of counting up as we do with our calander. Can you please clarify this?

Comment by Martin — April 14, 2009 @ 4:53 am | Reply
- You have yet to debunk anything…more importantly, this thing WILL APPROACH whether we believe it or not. Historically ALL OF THE ANCIENT WORLD SPEAKS OF THE CELESTIAL BODIES IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM. It is documented throughout the ancient under various names…we can go back and forth with this but the evidence suggest cyclic cataclysmic events… Earth 3,600 ago, 7,200 ago & 10,800 ago…RESEARCH it first before posting nonsense….
  
  Comment by khemi — July 9, 2014 @ 4:19 pm | Reply
  - khemi– You have made one claim and you have rejected my analysis. If you wish to continue, you must do two things. First, you must explain why anything I said is wrong. Flippantly rejecting it without any explanation is pointless and shows a hollow argument. Second, you state (in all caps), “ALL OF THE ANCIENT WORLD SPEAKS OF THE CELESTIAL BODIES IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM.” Point to *any* that talks about “Nibiru” and *any* that identify episodic cataclysms every 3600 years. Any. I’ll wait.
    
    Comment by Stuart Robbins — July 9, 2014 @ 4:31 pm
Quote “You should know better than to think that I will delete a polite comment that gives me an opportunity to reiterate why a misunderstanding is wrong.” Really?

Comment by Martin — April 14, 2009 @ 6:04 am | Reply
Martin –

Please read my Primer on the Mayan Calendar. It adresses why the calendar is just as useful after 2012 as our own calendar is useful after Dec. 31.

Comment by astrostu206265 — April 14, 2009 @ 8:43 am | Reply
I’ve read it. BUT…We know when to start the present ‘count’ because there is an astronomical marker. If we found the ‘calendar’ in 3120 BC when would we know when the start was? Similarly if we found the ‘calendar’ in 2020 how would we know when to start that count cycle from?

Comment by Martin — April 15, 2009 @ 4:51 am | Reply
I have read your primer. Do you not have an answer? Without astronomical ‘markers’ the Mayan calendar does not work. It ONLY works for 3114 BC to 2012 AD because of the Birth of Venus Marker. Before 3114 BC there was no cycle of the calendar as there was no start marker. After 2012 it CANNOT run again as there is no astronomical start marker. This means the Mayans only intended to run the calendar once and then stop it. Surely you can understand the basis for this reasoning.

Comment by Martin — April 16, 2009 @ 5:17 am | Reply
Martin – Give me more than a day to reply! I do have work outside this blog (which is why I haven’t done a new post in awhile …).

Anyway, it does appear from what I’ve read that they Mayans did start their sacred calendar, the Tzolkin, on an event they called the “Birth of Venus.” However, no one – not main-stream archaeologists nor so-called “alternative” researchers – have been able to figure out what that event was. It may have something to do with a real event, or it may not. And if it does have something to do with a real event, it may not actually be set correctly (for example, the calendar we use now supposedly is timed to Jesus’ birth year of 1 BC / AD 1, but most scholars agree that he was born in 4 or 3 BC).

Regardless of this, I do not understand your reasoning at all. Let’s say for the sake of argument that we can pin down the exact event and hence “start” time of the Mayan calendar for the last long count, sometime probably in 3114 BC. How do you think they would measure time before that start date? They’d need a calendar, right? And it makes sense that they’d use the same one, just starting it over from a similar date. The same is valid for after the current long count ends. They just start over again with the count.

My intended analogy in my previous post was that we do the same thing with our calendar every year. Let’s say we have an event that we can time perfectly to a date in our current calendar, and for the sake of argument, we’ll say that Jesus was born on December 25, 1 BC / AD 1. He wasn’t born again on December 25, AD 2, was he? So using the logic that I think you’re arguing, why should we keep using the calendar past December 24, AD 2, when there’s no birth start marker?

Comment by astrostu206265 — April 16, 2009 @ 11:50 pm | Reply
Hi , nice website by the way just found it tonight and slowly going over it, i will add it to my favs and be back to check out more , but this will be my only long post.

For me like alot of people in the world right now have seen the movie ” knowing ” the ending was just a tad disturbing and the reality of something so horrifing is very very very possible at any given time. made me want to learn alittle more on .. (don’t laugh) but how to survive such an ordeal. Well during my search over the past few weeks i started seeing 2012. I never even knew what that date was and to behonest …i wish now i never knew..so many theorys and almost every prediction is ” BAD ” the end for us all.

The reason what made me decide to post here to you is Martin’s comment on the mayan calander not being useful after that date and his questions of what event caused them to start it at that specific time in history.(I’m 40 years old now, not a college graduate,I have no dgrees in anything ..your basic high school drop out ..so please bare with me).

As i have gathered over the past few weeks and thought about is the calender pops up everywhere the closer we get and will continue to. But for martin ..maybe there is no event that took place ..were talking so many years ago and people back than as we can tell and history proves it (so far) they were no where near as advanced in technology as we are.Back then people had basicly one goal ..stay alive food and shelter was on everyones minds. To me that was thier only concern. And whoever that first person was back then did one hell of a job just by looking up in the sky night after night after night being passed on to every generation till they completed this remarkable wonder .. a truely great piece of history. The calander does not stop on that day .It starts over (You can’t say it ends because the zodiac signs will always be there all 12 of them) and if something drastic were to ever happen to the human race i hope it sticks around for the next forms of life to find and have them try to figure it out because unlike our wrist watch it will go on forever and ever for etirnity just on a grander scale.

All those people back then fell misfortune to a devastating meteor shower.So did the dinosaurs.. and unfortionately so will we (one day) just not that day.

Asrtrostu ..i have a question for you, by the way great site again 🙂

through history we have records of ice ages thats a given.But has or is there any evidence of the oppisite? The thing that is puzzling me most is and i know no one knows for sure (but i would like to know what your brain thinks). from what i gather right now we are on top of the i don’t know if its the galactic equator or the universal but if were above it and we have had many ice ages could below it(i know lots of years) but might it be major heat waves unlike we have ever seen?
Or do you think the world will just be the world as we know it and if we as humans control our global warming the world will be the world as we know it now and forever. Major disasters happen all the time.

Final question. Everywhere well as far as i have been looking up stuff i see the words “Polar Shifts” yes is very possible to me and probably will happen over the years we pass through the equator to substitute being on the oppiste side of it( as i stated years for that to happen ) but like we learnt in grade 3-4 all the continents on the planet have all moved and still move as we speak now. do you think that they will just move at the pace they are now and take 1000’s of years to settle in thier new spots? well never settle but you know what i mean.

Well Great site again and i hope my thoughts and questions were not a waste of your time.

Peace All

Allan , canada

Comment by Allan — April 17, 2009 @ 2:31 am | Reply
Sorry I didn’t realise your time constraints.

This is important so I will be careful.
You say
“And it makes sense that they’d use the same one, just starting it over from a similar date. The same is valid for after the current long count ends. They just start over again with the count… we do the same thing with our calendar every year.”

So the Mayans would have a year 2266 count 1 3993 count 2 etc. This would work. (then the count 2 would be analogous to AD2 in your analogy) So where is the count number in their calendar. What would the Mayans call 2050.

There is a clear illogicality as to why they would put themselves in this situation by decrementing their years rather than just count up as we do.. but never mind that yet just the first point clarified please.

Comment by Martin — April 17, 2009 @ 5:48 am | Reply
Stop

Don’t answer that. You are correct. All the Mayans have to do is call the years Last count BC (before present count) and present count PC which would be redundant and dropped. So in 2013, 2020 will be 8 PC and in 2013, 2010 would be 2 BC (before present count). IE the Mayan calender will work on and on for 5126 years into the past and 5126 years into the future. Not bad for a calendar really.

But it does not have to divide into a precession cycle at all. The Younger Dryas plus 12960 years = 2012 is strange but in no way conclusive.

You are right about the Mayan calendar working beyond 2012. So what makes people believe in the end? I don’t know, it is not based on logic, it must be something else.

Thanks

Comment by martin — April 17, 2009 @ 7:39 am | Reply
Martin, i don’t think the mayans even counted there are no signs of numbers or dates nothing like that. Dates reffering back to time came decades or centurys later.The calander is what brought time and space together. For as the humans evolved we started recording and taking track of specific finding’s and well history itself.

It is the best way to keep track of things from the past (back then great things) but we now use dates on a daily basis for all we do, it has just become part of our lives and easy enough for everyone since the dates started being used for everyone to understand.(looking back to even biblical times)I bet if you were to go back let say 2000 years 12ad and talked to the people back than they would probably have no understanding of what dates even were.(Not saying all people) Thier were a few smart people back then, but as our veiws people back then were so closed minded about new things they chose to ignore it.(look how many wars ,beheadings,killings took place back then if you were to say something so obsurd)I would have been kinda scared to say what i beleived for death was your punishment.

To me dates are something that were added to our history through time and the human brain evolving and understanding.

Final thought for you.

let say you lived in 100 bc and found something buried in the ground and had no knowledge of time. A few months later talking with someone. You would have probably said to them you found it (something like) 20 moons ago,last harvest,2 snows ago. Something so simplistic because you never knew what dates were. But you would remember it by something that you did on a yearly basis.

Allan , canada

Comment by Allan — April 17, 2009 @ 1:18 pm | Reply
- Allan wrote: “people back than they would probably have no understanding of what dates even were.” At the time of Christ the current year was known (at least within the Roman Empire) as 746 A.U.C. (Anno Urbae Conditiona, “from the Foundation of The City”). It was also something like the 3ed year of the 146th Olympiad, not to mention the Persian, Hebrew, or Egyptian Calendars among others….
  
  Comment by fr stan — June 3, 2009 @ 11:49 am | Reply
- I’m pretty sure that even two-thousand years ago people used dates in their everyday lives.
  
  They would have at least been aware of lunar cycles and most certainly knew when it was Saturday. (Party night) I reckon they knew what, “You’ll be paid next week” meant too.
  
  Comment by himnextdoor — February 17, 2010 @ 12:56 pm | Reply
Sorry for the double post. But martin , if you look at all of the carvings etched in stone all around the world from our ancient past, From the mayans,the egyptians,the chinese to name a few all of thier carvings have a picture of a zodiac with another picture of something that might have happened during that zodiac. i think the zodiacs were what they used as dates.

They had no paper or pens so to save thier history they carved it in stone.

lets say after we have a world ending disaster and 7000 years later some being on earth finds our books of war.They won’t be able to understand it either but will study it to the best they can and try to get as much knowledge from it like we are now.Never understanding it fully but will have thier own thoughts of what we ment.

Comment by Allan — April 17, 2009 @ 2:04 pm | Reply
Allan
(Not saying all people) Exactly. The problems posed by the Mayan calendar cannot be addressed by considering what most people of the time would think. A few advanced thinkers of their time conceived of it not ‘stone bangers’. Thats like a future culture finding evidence of Moon landings and Mars probes and trying to work out how ‘rice farmers’ could do that with bamboo. (no disrespect to rice farmers).

The problem being discussed here is whether it is logically possible for the Mayan count to go beyond 2012 or preceed 3114 BC. It appears it can as Astrostu was asserting.

My problem now is ‘why does the Count stop at 12960(ish)years after the Youngers Dryas event’ But I cannot logically prove that there is any correlation. The only reason I try to is because if some relatively advanced thinkers survived the YD event (and clearly someone did) then this would give a foundation to the ‘Creation’ myths (the day the earth started from scratch)(presently misinterpreted by Creationalist) and past advanced culture myths (corrupted by time into Atlantis myths).

But that is the aim not my present position. But I do know that the assertion by Astrostu that for there to be a relationship between the Mayan calendar and the YD event then 5126 must divide into 12960 is incorrect if the Mayan calendar did not run before 3114 BC. The implication is (for there to be any correlation) the Mayans had to have inhereted an older calendar from YD survivors. This however is unprovable…. but neccessary for my case. So I loose. Howver the Creation Myths still exist. To any Creationalists out there, no the world is not 6,500 years old but you may be more right than other people think.

Comment by Martin — April 20, 2009 @ 5:00 am | Reply
I think that one of the problems with this debate is that no one on either side is trying to see the whole picture, because if they do, it discredits their own argument. conspiracy lovers don’t need proof to believe what they are already inclined to believe and pure empiricists don’t bother to consider information unless it was published by a reputable professor.

So let’s agree that there is no proof of a nibiru (astronomical or historical) but lets also agree that the earth does from time to time get bombarded by extra terrestrial matter, sometimes causing great damage, even mass extinctions.

Isn’t it reasonable to believe that there might be some credibility to biblical tales of armageddon? as an earlier post states, people were mostly worried about feeding themselves during antiquity, so my guess is that such huge and fanciful works of fiction were not created. these are not creation myths for the explanation of the unknown–these are very descriptive images of terrifying events. no, something surely happened. and what about the nazca lines? the hopi prophesies? the nearly simultaneous upheavals in harappa, mohenjo daro, crete and the genesis of the shang dynasty. something probably happened 3600 years ago, something big. so lets not connect the dots arbitrarily and devise tales that seem plausible and dare others to prove us wrong–that’s flawed logic. but I think we should consider that it is logical to reconcile these facts, not discount them just because portions of them are embraced by those who seem to hope for an end to modern times.

having said that. what might have happened to inspire all that makes up the doomsday theories? because, come on, there’s a lot of stuff out there and lots of the science lines up with the 2012 prophesies. I can’t think of his name, but in december (I think the 19th) a physicist was interviewed on fox news and warned viewers that the radiation from the sun in 2012 will be much more dangerous than previously calculated–“by a factor of 20” is what I think he said. anyway, it just seems like every month or two this gets more interesting (I’m gonna buy stock in spam and campbells soup, because even if 2012 is a dud, people will prepare, evidenced by all the y2k generators sold)

have fun folks;-)

Tony

Comment by tony — April 25, 2009 @ 11:07 am | Reply
Its fresh water that will get you. I’m pointing out the irony of trying to prove anything. No wonder belief systems are so popular. There is no choice just choose one.

Comment by Martin — April 28, 2009 @ 4:41 am | Reply
Careful, you could easily be throwing the baby out with the bath water. Both sides may be partially correct. IF the magnetic field of the Earth is a cycle. This does not require any pole reversal evidence but would explain the creation myths and the present scientific evidence for field decay.

[Blog Owner’s Note: This comment was moved here from the “Introduction” post because it was not relevant there and I think was meant to be placed here. It was also edited for a one-word correction based on a second post by this commenter.]

Comment by Martin — May 2, 2009 @ 5:37 am | Reply
Been awhile since i have been here, and after this post you might not hear from me again till maybe 12,12,2012 (i think thats when our eclipse is) as we draw nearer to the “big date”.
I am starting to realize that if something doe’s happen as bad as every prediction say’s …. well there’s nothing at all we as people can do about it and well i am just going to live my life to the fullest that i can. Because even if i die tommorrow or when i am 80 life is to short anyways.
When the movie 2012 come’s out this novemeber. Site’s like this will be flooded of ppl worring , arguements things like that (just won’t be the same) .And thats just something i don’t want to be apart of.I wish you all the best of luck in your live’s and hope every waking moment is full of pleasure and the fondest memorys of this wonderful planet that we have all lived on.
Live your life to it’s fullest ….it’s the only one you have.

Allan Canada … peace all 🙂

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Hi, me again .. just a little video i found ..i think this provides alot of information you might like http://www.moviezen.com/movie/2012/videos/1/345521

thanks again and will see you around
for many years to come 🙂

Allan,canada

Comment by Allan — May 15, 2009 @ 5:56 pm | Reply
Thanks for video, they are right the assyrian seal does not depict the sun, it depicts Marduk with ‘his’ nine companions…..as viewed from Tiamat, the watery planet. I guess you can work the rest out.

Comment by Martin — May 19, 2009 @ 3:58 am | Reply
Thanks for the video. In a book called ‘Cataclysm’ some Oxford Prof. The Assyrian seal depicts Marduk with his nine companions viewed from the watery planet Tiamat before the Battle between the two of the comenses.

Comment by Steve — May 20, 2009 @ 4:13 am | Reply
No problem i thought you might like that.

Comment by Allan — May 20, 2009 @ 8:14 pm | Reply
IF that is a depiction of Marduk we could be back in trouble.

Comment by Yashmi — June 3, 2009 @ 6:24 am | Reply
You say that Planet X doesn’t exist, but what about the pictures that have been taken?

There are many videos on youtube.com thatshow pictures of planet X.

I am very frightened of all this.

What do professional astronomers say?

Comment by Demetries — August 25, 2009 @ 1:27 am | Reply
- Most of those pictures are of lens flares because many people do not understand that taking a photograph with a very bright object nearby (such as the sun) will result in a lens flare. Or when taken through a window – most of which is double-paned glass – will result in an image duplication. Same with the video (and ghost orbs). If you have a specific one you would like me to address, post a link to it here.
  
  And, well, being a professional astronomer, we say it’s bunk. I also think I’ve shown pretty well throughout these posts that all the evidence you would need (gravitational perturbations, or, perhaps an actual visible object) are lacking.
  
  Comment by astrostu206265 — August 29, 2009 @ 11:23 pm | Reply
  - Hello, I’m Victoria, a 15 year-old. I’m saying that first because I don’t want you thinking I’m one of these astronomers. I’m just looking for answers. I was watching my favorite show, Fact or Faked: Paranormal Files, and they quickly debunked a video supposedly of Nibiru. As soon as she said “apocalypse” I googled. I wish I never did because I’m extremely gullible….but it seems there’s a lot of good, logical evidence behind it. Besides a few insane people. I watched a video on youtube of a NASA employee proving the existence of Nibiru. Ironically the video ends just before he gets to say when he predicted the world would end (sometime this year before December). There was video of a “second sun” and I think two-maybe three?- planets around it that are visible at a certain time of day at a certain place in Earth. I understand lens flares, in fact I enjoy the overusage of them in the works of Micahel Bay and J.J. Abbrams, but to me it just seemed too solid of a figure to just merely be a flaw of camera work. Plus there’s planets beside it. I forgot where I read/listened, but I remember someone explaining how and why a whole “galaxy” is hiding behind the sun. The whole 2012 thing threw me for a bit ( I’m obsessed with apocalypse/post-apocalyptic movies and games) but I convinced myself it just isn’t possible. But then I made the mistake of researching something that would truly frighten me and I’m sincerely asking to please, please give me any evidence disproving the whole Nibiru thing. I want to one day get married, have a kid, and pursue a job somewhere along the lines of astronomy, because I love the beauty of space. I love anything doing with space, but I don’t like focusing on the truly evil side of space…which would tie into Nibiru. What I’m saying is I want to live a long, happy fulfilling life and I don’t want me and billions of others to parish and appear in space as a puff of dust. I’m terrified to my core and I’d seriously appreciate any comfort. Please.
    
    Comment by Victoria — May 6, 2012 @ 11:10 am
See these images http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2008/g19/more.html

Could someone tell me what this G1.9 is. Why it is coming ‘straight at us’from ‘near’ the galactic center? How far away it is and how fast it is travelling?

Comment by steve — February 18, 2010 @ 7:20 am | Reply
Tell me this position is a coincidence please!

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/G/G1.9+0.3.html

Comment by steve — February 18, 2010 @ 7:33 am | Reply
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i think that in every path of brown dwarf in mars orbit the iron rust around brown dwarf envolve mars and thats why is red covered of iron rust and in bible passage the rivers will turn red like blood its waters will become like wormwood its possibly that iron rust of nibiru contaminates the third part of water in earth , is near..

Comment by MM MORALES — June 8, 2011 @ 11:28 am | Reply
the author of this nonsense has no idea at all when stating
“there exist no records whatsoever of a planetary body encroaching on the inner solar system”
there are ancient manuscripts recording the passing by of a Brown Dwarf Star
a collection of ancient manuscripts said to have been salvaged from the
Glastonbury Abbey arson in 1184. The Kolbrin is also said to have had a
connection to Jesus, historically through his Great-Uncle, Joseph of
Arimathea.

http://www.thekolbrin.com/kolbrin_b5c3.html

http://www.thekolbrin.com/kolbrin_b5c4.html

http://www.thekolbrin.com/kolbrin_b5c5.html

Comment by Graham — June 8, 2011 @ 3:12 pm | Reply
- If you can actually back up the validity of the Kolbrin Bible, go for it. 99+% of the population consider it a work of New-Age woo with no credible accounts to its origin.
  
  Comment by Stuart Robbins — June 8, 2011 @ 6:10 pm | Reply
  - What is this “woo” again? http://dictionary.com/browse/woo.
    
    Comment by Autymn D. C. — August 9, 2011 @ 11:45 am
  - Try definition 2 from Urban Dictionary.
    
    Comment by Stuart Robbins — August 9, 2011 @ 11:47 am
Why does it suddenly matter what 99+% of the population thinks? Are you a scientist or not, or do you just pick and chose your ‘scientific criteria to fit your stance?

Comment by Mick — August 12, 2011 @ 3:06 am | Reply
- Do you (a) have significant evidence that the Kolbrin bible is legitimate, and (b) that it actually records a planet coming by in 1600 BC?
  
  Comment by Stuart Robbins — August 12, 2011 @ 12:53 pm | Reply
a) Define ‘legitimate’
b) No. The 1,600 bc planet (or indeed the 3,600 year planet cycle) is highly likely to be speculative nonsense. Whether 99+% of people believe it or 99+% of people disbelieve it.

Comment by Mick — August 13, 2011 @ 3:26 am | Reply
Blah Blah Blah! Get your facts straight before you ppl start running off at the mouth claiming this or that.

Comment by Chris — October 20, 2011 @ 8:21 am | Reply
Annunaki are not aliens or whatever! This is a fake story by Zacharia Sitchin (an Illuminati member)!!!

The Ubaid ‘Annunaki’ c.4,000 B.C.

At around 3,250 BC, another people migrated from its homeland, located probably northeast of Mesopotamia, and began to intermarry with the native population. The newcomers, who became known as Sumerians, spoke an agglutinative language unrelated apparently to any other known language.

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/sumeria.htm

Comment by Gerrit — October 25, 2011 @ 6:57 pm | Reply
- The Sumerians became the Hungarians.
  
  Comment by Autymn D. C. (@alysdexia) — October 26, 2011 @ 4:35 am | Reply
It’s now 2012 each for it if you have a chance to look past the sun from the USA you could see the PX and BTW get your facts right that have documents of planet X passing every. 3,600 years and thefact that ecru so many years the planet has floods or an ice age

Comment by mojo — June 9, 2012 @ 2:01 am | Reply
- You state that I need to get my facts right, and you state there are documents of a planet X passing every 3600 years. Please (a) provide evidence of said documents and (b) provide evidence that “you [can] see [Planet X]” now.
  
  Comment by Stuart Robbins — June 9, 2012 @ 2:04 am | Reply
In Matt. 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 we learn about the parable of the fig tree, which represents Israel. Most Bible prophecy scholars believe that this parable is telling us that the generation that sees Israel become a nation (1948) and recapture Jerusalem (1967) would not pass away unti the end of the Final Seven Years, or until Jesus sets up His Millennial Kingdom.

On the 23rd of Sept 2017 , the prophecy of Rev 12 v 1 will be fulfilled , see below

now Rev 8 is a mountain sized comet or asteroid impacting an ocean (and whatever else that causes all the green grass and a third of the tress to burn up), hopefully not the Pacific , this will be 2013 ? 2014 ? or 2015

http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults2.php?passage1=Revelation+8&book_id=73&version1=9&tp=22&c=8

and now for the COUP DE GRACE
in Rev 16 ”the DESTROYER” a brown dwarf star will pass by as close as the moon
occupying 20 % of the sky
a brown dwarf star is Jupiter size or up to 4 times larger
Jupiter is 1300 times the size of Earth
Jupiter is 300 times the mass of Earh
a brown dwarf star is 20 – 80 time the mass of Jupiter

http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults2.php?passage1=Revelation+16&book_id=73&version1=9&tp=22&c=16

the dwarf star has trillions of tons of iron dust trailing out behind which we pass through , spread iron dust on water and what do you get , blood red water over the entire planet

sometime after 2017 the dwarf star will pass by 2018 ? 2019 ? 2020 ?

Comment by mahalo — June 9, 2012 @ 4:25 am | Reply
- Biblical prophecy is far from any evidence of something. And in the future, I do not generally allow long diatribes of bible versus in comments. Future posts such as this will not be allowed through.
  
  Comment by Stuart Robbins — June 9, 2012 @ 10:30 am | Reply
  - More than ninety-nine percent of all Prophecy, given by The Ruler of The Universe; and approximately two-thirds of the Bible is Prophecy; has already been fulfilled, in exact and minute detail, as can be proved by comparing His Prophecies to world history. Only a blind-fool would therefore choose to believe that the remaining less than one percent will not also be fulfilled, likewise, in exact and minute detail; soon. You really ought to seek The Truth; to survive. “Only the Truth can set you free. . .”
    
    Comment by mahalo — June 9, 2012 @ 3:02 pm
  - Do you wear clothes of mixed fiber?
    
    Comment by Stuart Robbins — June 9, 2012 @ 3:04 pm
  - no
    
    http://www.bible.ca/b-prophecy-60.htm
    
    Comment by mahalo — June 9, 2012 @ 3:21 pm
  - What that page doesn’t tell you are what those verses say, in their context, and in their Qhibiŕiqht. You can find failures as well:
    
    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Discuss:How_tall_was_Jesus
    
    Your timeframe for those predictions are out of the ballpark. The end of the world for the Tànàc was 2400 years ago, and for the Vivli 1950 years ago. The sayings would not be useful to the followers if they were for today.
    
    Scripture has hundreds of mistakes. You gave us a page which tries to prove a book with another book, when both books are fictional.
    
    Comment by alysdexia — June 10, 2012 @ 5:50 pm
it appears you are in the blind fool catagory

Comment by mahalo — June 11, 2012 @ 5:07 pm | Reply
…have anyone ever thought that this supposed niribu (true or not) signifies a transition of some sort? like before Gods Chosen People got sent into slavery it was a little over 3,000 years. and taking away the 2012 years of our knowing really is not that much space between. with the Aquarius already stared april28/summers solstice, we just had that lunar eclipse. all this, the elements, politics, and of course scripture that tell us before the events happen. and some are clothed in a parable and you dont know why they speak of aliens or planets coming down cause they know once the man get here its going to be a wrap for their satainc system. They always tyring to trick us one way or another but one things for sure, they do ‘ know the gig is up.

Comment by Wheres god?? — June 11, 2012 @ 8:57 pm | Reply
- You do realize that lunar and solar eclipses happen, on average, twice a year each? And here’s an explanation of the age of Aquarius.
  
  Comment by Stuart Robbins — June 12, 2012 @ 9:40 am | Reply
well more and more the talks and clues points toward a dark star (brown dwarf) that is not visible to the naked eye, this would account for this comments : If that is correct, then these same civilizations, a mere 3600 (nearly) years ago must have observed something as large as a planet that reached – if nothing else – as close as the inner solar system. After all, the Chinese could see comets, much smaller than a planet. They could see Saturn, much farther away than Mars (by a factor of around 25 times). And they knew that these objects were different than regular stars. They recorded them. Practically every civilization knew about them.

look at changes (planetary and cultural) that occured every 3600 years or so and keep in mind that each time the effect could have been lesser or greater depending on how near the earth came to be of it… look further than the tip of your nose or further than our already half false proven history books !

What makes you true ? more than anything else ?

look at where it got egyptologist, today, to have a too closed minded attitude… The sphinx is now proven to be much much older than what they were saying and the proofs were in front of their eyes… Water erosion, lots of water in fact that puts its age between 7000 to 11000 bc… thats a hell of a wrench into the documented timeline of Egyptologist…Lets re-write books now !

Don’t be like them and keep an open mind ! you come across as being one of those that systematically refuse new idea on the sole fact that current books and beliefs don’t back it up…if you only new that half the content of these books have already been proven wrong, you wouldn’t…

Comment by Alain — October 13, 2014 @ 7:32 am | Reply
here is but a few and from my research there is tones :
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread539076/pg1

Comment by Alain — October 13, 2014 @ 7:41 am | Reply
Alain, if AboveTopSecret is your primary research source, you’re looking entirely in the wrong location. I would suggest doing research that does not involve Google University or the College of Wikipedia. The windows of time on those ATS “claims” were on the order of 1500 to 3000 years wide! That is far too inaccurate for something that was supposed to have happened a mere 3600 years ago, which on the time scale of the universe, was like a nanosecond earlier than now.

Comment by Rick K. — October 14, 2014 @ 7:15 pm | Reply