Exposing PseudoAstronomy

December 21, 2011

Podcast Episode 16: What the Sky Looks Like on December 21, 2012, Part 2


The next episode of my podcast is up, and it’s short. It’s a quick follow-up to episode 15 on what the sky looks like specifically on the December 2012 solstice. This episode is similar to my blog post by the same name.

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  1. Stuart,
    Your statement that ‘near the speed of light travel would allow us to travel the universe just as well [ as faster than light travel ] without violating the known laws of physics’ is (obviously) based on current knowledge, as if learning will (ever) stop on a dime, here and now. [sarcasm ON] Ever hear the expression ‘think outside the box’? {sarcasm OFF} You think Einstein, Copernicus, Galileo, etc …any progressive scientist was contained by present knowledge, aka conventional wisdom? I think not, hence their places in history, and your place debunking run of the mill tin foil hatters.

    All disrespectful petty digs aside: the reason ‘people get so excited about faster than light travel’ is because faster than light travel would allow for the collapse of space and time, hence null space and null time, and no number of light years would be great far a distance to explore. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Space_Travel

    Please feel free to debunk, prove wrong, agree with, tin-foil hatter extraordinaire, Billy Meier, on his essay “Apocalypse on the 21st of December 2012”, as it directly pertains to this podcast and several others regarding 12/12/2012. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Apocalypse_on_the_21st_of_December_2012

    Comment by Bruce — December 21, 2011 @ 3:51 am | Reply

    • Bruce, is there actually anything of substance in your second link? I read the whole thing and it’s just a rant about 2012 hype. There are no specific doomsday nor astronomical statements in it that I deal with, and he says that the 2012 phenomenon is bull. And the alleged date is 12/21/2012 (or 21/12/2012 if you’re not American).

      Comment by Stuart Robbins — December 21, 2011 @ 4:29 am | Reply

  2. Stuat, yes 21/21/2012 … my err …

    But what do you have to say about your presumption regarding travel above & near the speed of light and in particular do you think we will someday be able to conquer the present limits of time and space as it pertains to traveling/exploring this universe?

    So then you agree with Billy in that calls for a doomsday are based on smoke and mirrors and have no substance or basis? He does state calendar dates that you have mentioned and I believe you would concur, no?

    “The Mayan belief is clearly and distinctly expressed in regard to the age of the universe which, calculated from today in the year 2010, is supposed to have originated 5,124 years ago and indeed exactly on the 13th of August according to the current Christian reckoning of time.

    Naturally this idea is just as nonsensical as is the Mayan belief that the present world will last 33 times the duration of a mythical b’ak’tun, which, in each case, corresponds to a time of 400 years and, with that, an entire time of 13,200 years, while the Mayan calendar, however, reaches only up to the 21st of December, after which it then renews itself again.

    According to the Mayan idea, the present universe has existed since the 11th of August, 5123, calculated backwards from the current time. Consequently, according to the Mayan belief, a further 8,076 years would have to follow before the 33 times 400 years would fulfil itself, whereby, in regard to this fulfilment, it is in no way established what will really exist then.

    Naturally this calculation is also not consistent with the reality of the age of the Earth and of the universe, because how could the astronomical knowledge at that time have been able to determine the age of the the Earth and the universe without current technology and astrophysics?”

    Regarding astro alignments that seem to align with your thinking: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_476#Contact_Report_476_Translation

    “Billy: Good, then it’s enough. But the human beings of Earth would be interested in what the Mayan calendar has to do regarding the 21st of December 2012.

    Ptaah: That is possible, yes. Regarding the Mayan calendar, the 21st of December 2012 represents the culmination of a star constellation that occurs only every 26,000 years. The Mayan calculations are assuming that the Earth – on the 21st of December 2012 – shall lie on an imaginary line that fits together the star over the left side of the constellation Orion with the central sun, i.e. the centre of the Milky Way. The Sun meets the Milky Way at a location that is built by interstellar dust clouds, and is called “dark cleft of the Milky Way” by the human beings of Earth. On the 21st of December 2012, at nightfall of winter solstice, the Sun is directly in that cleft, and it is in such a position that the Milky Way covers the horizon in all positions all around. From this is resulting the optical impression that the Milky Way would touch Earth all around and that the galaxy would lie directly on the Earth. On the whole that’s the end product of the Mayan calendar recording.”

    Comment by Bruce — December 21, 2011 @ 4:55 am | Reply

    • geez .. erred again 😦 12/21/2012 … doh! 8)

      Comment by Bruce — December 21, 2011 @ 5:14 am | Reply

  3. Regardless what happens on 12 21, 2012, we all know something will happen eventually so it is a very wise decision to prepare for it the best we know how. IF nothing much happens in Dec, be prepared to purchase cheap survival stuff in early 2013 to add to your stash. True survivalists always capitalize on every possibility!

    Comment by SurvivalMom — December 30, 2011 @ 12:02 pm | Reply

    • There is a difference between generally being prepared for a disaster and claiming that one will happen on a specific date because of a certain alignment in the sky that won’t actually happen and, even if it does, lacks any mechanism as-claimed to cause anything that people say it will.

      Comment by Stuart Robbins — December 30, 2011 @ 12:04 pm | Reply

  4. The challenge now, since everyone’s attention is focused on the fate of the Earth, is to devise better ways to live in harmony with the natural environment…so we do not self destruct.

    Comment by Susie Aulbrook — December 22, 2012 @ 3:54 am | Reply


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