Exposing PseudoAstronomy

June 17, 2013

Podcast #77: 2012 Back-Peddling

Twenty-twelve doomsday
Is said and done. What doomsday
Is next, yet to come?

A just-over half-hour episode reviewing some peoples’ failed predictions for the 2012 “doomsday” that did not happen, and their response (or lack-there-of) when it didn’t. A few notes on this episode:

(1) I sound a bit stuffed up in this episode because I recorded it just after I woke up and couldn’t seem to clear my nose. I’m fine health-wise (so far’s I know).

(2) Yes, this was delayed. I submitted a quarter-million-dollar grant due on Friday the 14th and a 78-page, 19,500-word paper on Friday, too. Now is catch-up on everything I put off. So yes, the episode has been back-dated by six (yikes!) days, and I do expect to be putting out an episode on the 21st of the month (on geocentrism). This of course also means I’m WAY behind on responding to feedback if you’ve e-mailed me.

(3) I’ve been wanting to do this episode for a long time. I had grand ideas about holding people accountable and going through dozens of examples. This isn’t that. It’s a bit disappointing. At least to me … let me know what you think.

There’s no puzzler this episode, but there is a lengthy A to a Q. Here’s the main announcement at the end, similar to the one at the end of the last episode: If you’re going to TAM, I’m planning another li’l get-together, probably Saturday night during dinner time, in a suite in the hotel. Assuming this happens and it’s more than just me and one or two other persons, I’m also going to try to record it and the hope is for it to be sorta a Q&A and/or discussion or something like that about the general topics of the show. You can tell this is incredibly well planned at the moment. IF you’re at all interested, send me an e-mail so I can give you updates.



  1. […] probably even more thorough) look has been done by astronomer and pseudo-astronomy debunker, Stuart Robbins of the Exposing PseudoAstronomy Podcast. While a couple of people have said that after Dec 21 of […]

    Pingback by Where are the 2012 Doomers? — Update via Stuart Robbins | Fleeing Nergal, Seeking Stars — June 18, 2013 @ 6:59 am | Reply

  2. Stuart,

    Good recording, I think you’ve hit the nail on the head regarding the exploitation of doomsayers by programs like Coast-2-Coast who now find themselves out in the cold. I’d say they’ll keep their heads down until everyone has forgotten what they said and then start again. BTW I’m reasonably certain Greg Braden tried to hitch his star to 2012 with claims not that different to Barra’s ‘We have the ability to reshape reality at this time..’ claims.

    Found the Patrick Moore book (Countdown!: Or How Nigh is the End?) on page 53 of chapter 4 “The Jupiter Effect” you find a description of the ‘Harmonica Virgins’ of 1987. You have the mixing of astrology, Aztec and Mayan mythology, galactic beams (Hmm where have I heard that one before) & “…a deluge of flying saucers.”

    All of which was averted by one Gross of people going up on various ‘sacred mountains’ and humming.

    As I mentioned in the earlier post, a comparison between this and 2012 might be worth doing.

    Comment by Graham — June 18, 2013 @ 5:57 pm | Reply

    • I’ll add it to the list of possible topics.

      Comment by Stuart Robbins — June 18, 2013 @ 9:18 pm | Reply

      • Also the mention of the ‘Solar Killshot Guy’ and his year by year repetition of the prediction, when did he start doing it?

        SF author Ben Bova published a ‘Solar Killshot’ novel in the early 1970s (“When the Sky Burned”), which was re-issued in the 1980s in a revised form (“Trial By Fire”).

        I’ve got a couple of questions about the scenario in that novel, but I’ll send them via email.

        Comment by Graham — June 18, 2013 @ 9:40 pm

      • Ed Dames has been talking about the “kill shot” at least since 2003, and I want to say I heard him talk about it at least since 1998. But I don’t know how far before that.

        Comment by Stuart Robbins — June 18, 2013 @ 9:46 pm

  3. Pedal

    Comment by paul — June 18, 2013 @ 8:32 pm | Reply

  4. I’ve found my copy of Ben Bova’s “Test of Fire”. Once I’ve got the basic details sorted out I’ll send you the email. This could be used as a puzzler rather than a question.

    Comment by Graham — June 19, 2013 @ 9:52 am | Reply

  5. Was “back peddling” an intentional pun, or did you mean to say “back pedaling”?

    Comment by Phil — June 20, 2013 @ 6:08 am | Reply

    • Both.

      Comment by Stuart Robbins — June 20, 2013 @ 7:46 am | Reply

      • If you meant to say back pedaling, but were using back peddling as an intentional pun, then how can it be both?

        I considered that you used back peddling as a rip on the peddlers of pseudoscience, but there was no indication of any kind of Lance Armstrong, Tyler Hamilton, Fausto Coppi etc. reference. You are subtle, Dr. Robbins.

        Anyway, love your podcast.

        Comment by paul — June 20, 2013 @ 9:06 pm

      • Yes … subtle. Exactly the intent. Yes …

        Comment by Stuart Robbins — June 20, 2013 @ 9:24 pm

  6. Thank you for your usual excellent job, Stuart.

    I happened to be watching Marshall Masters (among others) during the ‘critical’ time. Marshall based his prediction on a large crop circle which appeared in England several years back. Bless his heart, right up until 12-21, he was looking for his ‘second sun’ which would signal the appearance of his beloved Planet X/Nibiru. Although obviously disappointed, his ‘crawfish’ took the rather common path that “The prophesy was valid but the timing was off.” Planet X WILL appear because ” . . . the evidence is overwhelming.” Unfortunately for him, Marshall’s success rate matches that of Ed Dames.

    As to ‘what’s next?’, I agree with you that, specifically speaking, who knows? However in general, I think it’s safe to say that there will be more of the same. Certain people require their dose of doomsday and that will be duly provided. I’ve already seen a piece linking ISON to Planet X or the Hopi Blue Kachina.

    At this point, I will go far out on a limb to make a couple of forecasts that you can include with your annual January prophetic scorecard.

    1. By September, R.C. Hoagland will break his existing record for use of the work ‘stunning’.

    2. In October, Richard will prove (showing his work) that the odds are 4 gigakazillion to 1 that Comet ISON is NOT a random event.

    Comment by John Paisley — June 21, 2013 @ 5:22 pm | Reply

    • M2 was another guy I was hoping to hear from. His 2008 (I think?) interview on C2C was amazingly insane, going from claiming he’s incredibly brilliant (member of Mensa!) and then how crop circles are 100% harbingers of future solar doom and Planet X.

      Comment by Stuart Robbins — June 21, 2013 @ 5:30 pm | Reply

  7. Jason Colavito has been covering ancient astronaut proponents for a while now and his latest blog post has further confirmation that 2012 proponents are turning to claiming that it was a ‘spritual apocalypse’ rather than a physical one:

    “Some guy named David Wilcock, whom Graham Hancock apparently praised to the hilt despite his alien leanings, will further claim that the aliens left us a prophecy of a coming Golden Age—the new consciousness Hancock described—and he will attempt to retroactively rehabilitate the Maya Apocalypse of December 21, 2012 by claiming that this event, the culmination of the Precession of the Equinoxes (it isn’t really, not any more than any other day in 26,000 is—precession has no start or end date), marks the beginning of a new age just now taking shape.”


    Comment by Graham — June 30, 2013 @ 8:04 pm | Reply

    • David Wilcock is one of the more crazy people on C2C who are on semi-regularly. Probably one of his biggest fails was back in 2009 when he insisted with the same certainty as Nancy Lieder that full alien disclosure would happen before the end of 2009. When that didn’t happen, it was nearly a year before he was on again. He’s also one of the more annoying, claiming to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, and going on about how the implications make him want to throw up because it’s so big … similar to the obnoxiousness of Strieber’s continual recounting of his alien probing.

      Comment by Stuart Robbins — June 30, 2013 @ 10:25 pm | Reply

      • I saw something even crazier on a YahooNews report on December 21, 2012, which rather sadly was not included in the update of the news item. One of the New Agers interviewed stated that: “We don’t have (or “We no longer have need of”) leaders, we have the Internet.”

        Hancock seems to have gone off of the deep end, there’s a quote from L. R Hubbard that fits perfectly, “I am Don Quixote, I live on peyote, mescal and rum…”. Now he’s claiming that not only are drug induced experiences are real, but that the modern day world is the New Atlantis which will fall unless we get back in ‘tune with the universe’.

        BTW about the Bova ‘Solar Killshot’. I think it might be better as a puzzler.

        Comment by Graham — July 1, 2013 @ 10:11 am

      • It seems that ‘power’ might be going to the head of David Wilcock, he and Steven Greer apparently used security guards to keep their audience from leaving during a lecture. The BadUfo blog has the details. I posted a link to episode 77 with a comment about his earliery claims.


        Comment by Graham — September 22, 2013 @ 12:33 am

      • That’s a new level of insanity. And, technically, it’s kidnapping, not allowing someone to leave, and they could very easily be prosecuted on federal or state kidnapping charges.

        Comment by Stuart Robbins — October 5, 2013 @ 8:55 am

  8. Jason Colavito just posted another interesting example of 2012 backpeddling. It seems someone called Michael Tsarion published a book in 2002 promising bad things in 10 years after publication (eg 2012) and then republished the same book in 2011 claiming bad things would happen in 10 years after publication (2021).


    Comment by Graham — July 12, 2013 @ 7:56 pm | Reply

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