Exposing PseudoAstronomy

June 1, 2013

Podcast #76: Nancy Lieder’s Astronomy Clip Show

Crazy astron’my
P-Xer Nancy Lieder
Has in abundance.

This is a clip show about several of Nancy Lieder’s astronomy claims. If that name sounds a bit familiar but you can’t place it, she’s the gal who predicted that Planet X would arrive in May 2003. Didn’t work out so well for her then. These are a few non-PX-related claims.

The episode’s a teensy bit shorter than normal, around 25 minutes. I’m working on 3 papers and 3 grants all due in about two weeks. Sigh. There’s a bit of feedback, no Q&A, no Puzzler, but two announcements:

1. As TAM approacheth, a meetup is possibly being planned. Right, now, it’s looking like probably Saturday around dinnertime. There’s a break between the last session beginning 6:15 and the next evening show at 9:00, so some time in there. I’ll bring candied nuts or something, provided that the Colorado people don’t eat them all before Saturday. I’m going to try to bring my microphone, the idea of the meetup being sorta a discussion about the bad…. err, pseudoastronomy topics and maybe some questions betwixt me and yous. More details forthcoming, but in the meantime, let me know if you think you’re interested and will be able to come. I’ll be selling free tickets to the event.

2. The next episode will be on 2012 back-peddling. I’m still looking for some really good examples of retrodicting. Most of what I’ve found is crickets. If you have examples you’ve seen, especially from the big folks like John Major Jenkins or Brent Miller, please send them in.



  1. Thanks for reading my email on your ‘cast. I thought I was more or less on the right track about the color of Earth’s atmosphere, but it never hurts to get a bit of confirmation from others, whose opinions I trust.

    Comment by Rick K. — June 3, 2013 @ 10:05 pm | Reply

  2. 1. See you @ TAM, whee!
    2. 2012 backpeddling: Peter Gersten was going to leap from Bell Rock, Sedona, Arizona, into a cosmic vortexy thingy, but began backpeddling as the 12-21-2012 drew nearer. http://badufos.blogspot.com/2011/02/2012-peter-gerstens-leap-of-faith.html and then http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/12/peter_gerstens_at_bell_rock_bu.php

    Comment by Torsten Pihl — June 5, 2013 @ 8:37 pm | Reply

  3. John Major Jenkins has indeed back-pedaled on 2012. I document some of this in my video “From “Certain” to “Zero Evidence”: Jenkins’s changing stance on Maya “End of the World” Prophecy” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alMxxh50eoQ). His rather bland statements about the Maya and 2012 in this recent entry on his website (http://johnmajorjenkins.com/?p=119) are interesting to compare to those he made in his “unprecedented breakthrough” book Maya Cosmogenesis 2012:

    “Ironically, the progressive theories of quantum mechanics are hailed as advanced, recent discoveries. The Maya, however, not only knew about quantum anomalies, but were able to conjure them up at will and travel into them. They gazed deeply into the cosmic center, the Black Hole in the center of our Galaxy, and to them the work of modern physics would probably seem like child’s play.” (p. 318)”

    “On [21 December 2012] itself, the door will be open [to the channeling of transdimensional beings,] and at that time some people may be more interested in figuring out how to close it. In fact, the current proliferation of fundamentalist closed-mindedness in political and religious discourse is already on the upswing. This may be a reactionary and regressive response to the alignment, which, properly understood, is the opening door to our multidimensional birthright as we approach the Galactic Zero Time of the Maya.” (p. 211)

    To my knowledge, he hasn’t informed us of any channelings he received from transdimensional beings recently. Perhaps they’re waiting until he takes another 6-hour LSD trip in an isolation chamber, which was the life-directing experience he says he had at age 19.

    Comment by Jim Smith — June 5, 2013 @ 8:49 pm | Reply

  4. Thanks for the 2012 follow-ups, guys.

    Comment by Stuart Robbins — June 5, 2013 @ 10:06 pm | Reply

  5. There was a long thread on the JREF forum which covered the whole Gersten Saga from his first claims in 2010 to his backdown in 2012.


    A lot of the links in that thread have been changed over the years. One key item is Gerstens original facebook page which he deleted as he started to backpedal. Thanks to the wayback machine it was preserved, so you can see exactly what he was claiming and then slowly but surely backed away from as 21/12/12 and the ‘leap’ got closer.


    Comment by Graham — June 6, 2013 @ 7:26 pm | Reply

  6. I think the reason you are unable to find many references to back-peddling is that most of them switched from claiming that the “world is going to end” to “the current view of reality is going to end.” I think that the same excuses were trotted out following the ‘Harmonica Virgins’ 😉 in 1987. Perhaps a future article could be comparing that event with the 2012 hype. If my copy of Patrick Moore’s “How nigh is the end” is anything to go by there may be many parallels that I cannot remember at this time because I was barely into my teens during the event itself.

    Comment by Graham — June 17, 2013 @ 6:00 am | Reply

    • Agreed. I talk about this in the latest episode that will go up later today.

      Comment by Stuart Robbins — June 17, 2013 @ 11:08 am | Reply

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