Exposing PseudoAstronomy

February 4, 2009

Planet X and 2012: What The Sky Looks Like On December 21, 2012


Continuing my series on Planet X and 2012, I already addressed the claim that the sun will be aligning with the galactic center on December 21, 2012 (the winter solstice). However, it occurs to me that I made some vague remarks of this galactic alignment not actually being any alignment what-so-ever, despite people saying it is, without actually going into the details of the situation. I wanted to clarify this with a diagram that, in fact, there is no alignment on December 21, 2012, with even the central plane of the galaxy, let alone the center of the galaxy.

What The Sky Looks Like

The Sky on December 21, 2012 (Click to Enlarge)

The Sky on December 21, 2012 (Click to Enlarge)

The above picture (click to enlarge it) shows what the sky looks like on the winter solstice on December 21, 2012 at 11:12 AM GMT (note that the time often quoted is 11:11, but that is not the case). In this section, I’m going to explain what is shown, while in the next section I’ll explain what it means.

The bright white object on the left side that intersects the green line is the sun.

The green line is the line of the ecliptic, which is the line traced out by the sun in the sky. Alternatively, it is the plane of Earth’s orbit through the solar system.

The red grid is the celestial coordinate system, which I briefly alluded to in the previous post. It is really an extension of Earth’s latitude and longitude system projected into space. Declination is the equivalent of latitude, while Right Ascension is longitude. Unlike longitude, which is measured in degrees (360°), right ascension is measured in hours (24 h in the sky). This is because it takes one hour for an object to move one hour of right ascension.

The purple grid is the galactic coordinate system. The horizontal lines are lines of galactic latitude, where the galactic equator (running through the middle) is really the, well, galactic equator – the plane of the galaxy. The vertical lines are the lines of galactic longitude, with the galactic meridian going through the center. Where the galactic meridian and the galactic equator intersect is defined as the center of the galaxy.

The definition of the winter solstice is when the sun is on the 18th hour line of right ascension. That occurs – in 2012 – at 11:12 AM GMT. (Summer solstice is when it is on the 6th hour of right ascension. Spring equinox is when it’s on the 0th hour line while autumnal is when it’s on the 12th hour line. By definition, it is always on the ecliptic.)

What Do We See from This Diagram?

No galactic alignment.

First off, the sun isn’t anywhere near the galactic center. So strike that one right off the list.

Second, the sun isn’t even on the galactic equator. It is 10.86 arcmin (0.181°) away from it. Though in the interest of full disclosure, the sun’s limb will be on it since the sun does have a finite size in the sky.

But, the closest approach to when the 18th hour of right ascension intersected with the galactic equator intersected with the ecliptic was the winter solstice of 1:50 AM December 22, 1998. The sun was only 0.30 arcmin (0.005°) off of the galactic equator. Funny … I don’t remember any doomsday happening then. Granted, I was in high school and not paying much attention to the news at the time, but I think I would have noticed if the world had ended.

Final Thoughts

As you can clearly see, there is no galactic alignment on this date. It already happened. And nothing happened. And in reality, the winter solstice has absolutely no relative importance in astronomy, just like alignments have no importance in astronomy (in the context of affecting Earth in a doomsday-like scenario). So, even if there were going to be an alignment – which there isn’t – it would have no importance anyway. It would happen every year. In fact, the sun crosses the plane of the galaxy twice every year … and yet nothing happens.

I know I’ve berated this claim many times now, but it’s important. I still see people making the claim. Please take note: It is baseless! And even if it weren’t, it wouldn’t matter anyway.

All Posts in This Series

The main blog posts:

I have also written a few posts that are tangentially related to the 2012 subject:

And my podcast episodes so far on 2012 and Planet X:

And podcasts on which I have been interviewed on 2012:


  1. I’m confused….I keep reading these explanations that the sun passes through the galactic equator twice a year which makes perfect sense. I think anyone with a small bit of astronomical sense can see this…..here is the confusing part for me. Most if not all of the articles I read refer to the entire solar system, not just the sun, passing from the northern hemisphere of the galaxy to the southern hemisphere…meaning the entire solar system is passing through the equator of the milky way. Can you shed some light on this for me….thanks.

    Comment by Joe — February 11, 2009 @ 9:18 pm | Reply

  2. What you need to remember is what things look like versus what’s actually happening. I can move my finger so that, from my point of view, it looks like it is somewhat near a flame. I can then keep my finger in the exact same spot but move my body – and eyes – and get it to appear as though my finger is now in the flame (or right on top of it).

    That’s what happens with the sun these days. It’s not in the galactic plane, it’s not physically passing through it. It just looks like it is from our point of view.

    Physically, we (as in the sun and the rest of the solar system) are literally tens of thousands of light-years above the mid-plane of the galaxy, and we are still moving away from it at a rate of about 5-7 km/sec. It takes on the order of tens of millions of years for the solar system to move up and down through the plane of the galaxy, completing one actual cycle.

    So, what you have heard is wrong. It’s either a case of mixing up what’s physically happening versus perspective effects, or it’s just been made up (which has been done by some people).

    Comment by astrostu206265 — February 11, 2009 @ 9:36 pm | Reply

  3. astrostu,
    thanks for you response….please understand that I am going to question your opinion as to where we, as a solar system are relative to the galactic equator and which way we are moving not because I want to be oppositional or argumentative….I don’t have an opinion one way or the other but I really do want to know based on fact and not some opinion from some guy with a video camera on youtube as has been my main source of knowledge so far. Could you please provide me some scientific resources so I can research this on my own….thanks for your help joe

    Comment by Joe — February 11, 2009 @ 10:32 pm | Reply

  4. The source is the college/graduate text, “Galaxies in the Universe” by Linda Sparke and John Gallagher, published in 2000. Page 71=9 has the data on where we are and how we’re moving, and I actually got the numbers slightly mixed up – we’re moving upwards at a rate of 7-8 km/sec, it’s 5-7 km/sec that’s the speed of orbit around the galaxy. Unfortunately, I cannot find the period of the cycle of the solar system through the galactic plane in the book, rather I’m remembering it from the class where we used this book. But regardless of the exact numbers of how long it takes, you can see from us being above the galaxy and still traveling upwards that we will in no way get to the center of the galaxy in 4 years. We would have to travel many times faster than light to do that.

    Comment by astrostu206265 — February 11, 2009 @ 10:45 pm | Reply

  5. cool, thanks for the information….I’ll try to pick that text up as soon as I can….
    if you come up with any other resources please forward them…..once more, thanks, Joe

    Comment by Joe — February 11, 2009 @ 10:53 pm | Reply

  6. Additional references:

    Time to go up and down through the galactic plane – 183±3 million years. (Goncharov & Orlov (2004) in ASP Conference Series, vol. 316). They published a similar article in 2003 in Astronomy Reports, vol. 43.

    A different estimate of the cyclic time of going up and down is 63.6 Myr, which is closer to what I learned. (Gies & Helsel (2005) in The Astrophysical Journal, vol. 626.)

    Data from 1995 found that we’re currently 15.5±3 pc (50.5±10 light-years) above the plane of the galaxy. (Hammersley et al. (1995) in MNRAS, vol. 273.)

    Comment by astrostu206265 — February 11, 2009 @ 11:28 pm | Reply

  7. Thankyou at last someone who knows the basics. However…. something happens to the earth every 13,000 years (see ice core data on comic debris) we Simply must be missing some other alignment or factor. You are right the sun earth galactic centre does occur twic e a year but the signficance of this alignment occurring on dec 21 is what seems it distiguish it. Why?? Dec 21 ‘rotates’ around the sun every 26,000 years and hits the alignmen line evry 13,000 years. This cannot be a coincidence, can it?

    Comment by Mick — March 27, 2009 @ 6:46 am | Reply

  8. Mick – can you provide any actual sources of ice core data? If I recall correctly, about 13,000 years ago we were somewhere near an ice age though around 8,000 years ago. Doesn’t seem to have much to do with anything cosmic, as the cycle didn’t repeat 13,000 nor 26,000 years before that. It seems like you’re making the classic “association with implied correlation” fallacy.

    What could the significance possibly be with one imaginary line meeting up in the sky with two other imaginary lines? What mechanism would affect anything in such alignment? And, why didn’t it occur in 1998, when there actually was an alignment of the galactic plane with the ecliptic with the winter solstice? What would make it be delayed 14 years until 2012? And why wouldn’t there have been something that happened 7,500 years ago, when it happened that the alignment was with the autumnal equinox instead of winter solstice? If you place importance on the winter solstice, then doesn’t it matter that for half of Earth, it will be the summer solstice?

    I ask these questions to try to drive the fact that these alignments have no physical meaning. Just like when stopped at a stoplight I can close one eye and move my finger such that I’m blocking the red light has no real significance whatsoever, or just as much significance as if I were coming from the other direction and blocked the light with my finger from over there.

    Comment by astrostu206265 — March 27, 2009 @ 8:21 am | Reply

  9. Hi

    The ice core data is available through MIT and nasa sites but lifes too short. Dr. Paul LaViolette’s superwave book is quiker and Cataclysm by an Oxford Professor. I am not implying any corellation you are inferring one. I’ll explain, forget everything about Galactic planes and winter solstice alignments… First the galactic centre a a powerful source of radio emmisions/radiation. All TV aerials point at the transmitter to gain maximun signal. The last time the north pole south pole and galactic centre were all in the same plane 13,000 years ago the KT (younger dryas) extinction event occurred. The Mayans have for some reason decided to sync their calander to the next alignment. Why? (winter solstice was just an observable end of their year, that is not what they are getting at). It is the year that they are pointing to, i.e. the nect time the north pole soth pole and galactic centre are in the same plane. The Earth’s magnetic field appears to be acting like a directional aerial. Dr. LaViolette’s conclusions are wrong there is no superwave, the radio signal is always there, its the earthpicking it up every 13,000 years which is the disaster. Notice Mars or the moon don’t have a cataclysm (or significant magnetic field). The caltaclysm is the price we pay for the field. It’s written about in history Marduk was not observable in space it’s just what it looked like on Earth when the field ‘aligned’ an picked up the radition/radio energy. If you do the Maths you will realise this is correct. However I do not think that telling people is necessarily a good thing. Read this and delete it. We are in trouble in 2011 – 2012 realise it, admit it and stop saying everything is ‘false corellation’ most of the work is, this is not!. Now delete this..

    Comment by Mick — April 1, 2009 @ 4:15 am | Reply

  10. Mick -

    You should know better than to think that I will delete a polite comment that gives me an opportunity to reiterate why a misunderstanding is wrong.

    First off, it is still an association without correlation fallacy because your physical mechanism is wrong through a false analogy. A receiving antenna needs to be oriented so it gets the least interference from other sources. If your antenna is 100 miles from a source, then shifting its orientation will do absolutely nothing to how well it gets a signal unless doing so moves it from behind an obstacle. It will still pick up the electromagnetic field (radio light) without preference. Dishes are a different issue, and that’s because the dish has to be oriented towards the object so that it can reflect the signal into the antenna at the center.

    The reason both of these have nothing to do with Earth is that you are operating under the false assumption that Earth is a receiver for radio waves and that these would have any effect on Earth. They don’t. Earth’s magnetic field does not really affect radio waves, nor do they affect it.

    BUT, even if they did, what would an APPARENT SOLAR alignment have to do with Earth? Earth’s North Pole is still aimed at Polaris, no where near the galactic center nor plane. It has more to do with Earth’s equator facing the galactic plane, which is where we have (nearly) the largest geomagnetic field strength.

    Finally along the lines of galactic alignment, this doesn’t happen in 2012. It already happened in 1998!! So your dates are wrong. Use ANY planetarium software and you can see this.

    Now let’s get to the Younger Dryas event. This event happened 12,900 years before the current event. Even though it was just in the news that a comet may have been the cause, it is still far from conclusive. And I should note that the KT extinction has nothing to do with the Younger Dryas … the KT is the Cretaceous-Tertiary event that happened 65 million years ago (giant asteroid, dinosaur killer, all that good stuff). So, yet again this is a mistake in your information.

    How can you say that Mars and the moon haven’t had cataclysms? It’s true we can’t date events on those bodies to thousand-year accuracy (yet), but you can just LOOK at their surfaces to see that they’ve had their fair share of impact events.

    So, in this comment, you have a mistaken identity (KT ≠ Younger Dryas), a false premise (Earth acts like a radio antenna), a false analogy from that false premise (TV receivers ≠ Earth), and again an assumed correlation without any physical mechanism to cause it, and your proposed physical mechanism is incorrect anyway (Earth’s pole doesn’t go anywhere near the galactic center, in absolute measurements nor even apparent alignments – during any time in its 26,000 year precession).

    Comment by astrostu206265 — April 1, 2009 @ 9:04 am | Reply

  11. My mistake I meant YD not KT. As for the antenna principle, The Glactic centre is a powerful radio radiation source (we both agree on that). Secondly something caused YD 12,900 years ago (it may be coincidence that 25920 (precession period) divided by 2 is 12960. But the Mayans are very bothered about 12,960BP plus 12,960 years equals 2012 (soon). The alignment your looking at was 1n 1998 so stop looking at that one. Clearly another alignment is required. If the earths field is acting as a DIRECTIONAL antenna as in loop aerial for tv then this would give the correct 12,960 period (every 180 deg)and an energy (‘signal’) source. All we are missing then is what is the alignment that triggers the event and how is the earth’s field acting this way. By the way I’m not referring to the earths axis pointing the right way (which as you point out is at Polaris) I’m looking for some earth (precessional) alignment ‘aroung 2012′. It’s the only thing that is missing, then all other information fits. It ridiculaous to ingore ALL the evidence just because we can’t work out the last bit. The galactic plane is 63deg from ecliptic at present (varies greatly during precession)(or 27 deg from ecliptic perpendicular) the earth’s tilt angle is 23.5 deg, that should at least make you suspicious!!

    Comment by Mick — April 2, 2009 @ 4:23 am | Reply

  12. PS Your antenna comments are wrong if the antenna is directional http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1940/1940%20-%202242.html.

    Comment by Mick — April 2, 2009 @ 4:38 am | Reply

  13. Quote “The reason both of these have nothing to do with Earth is that you are operating under the false assumption that Earth is a receiver for radio waves and that these would have any effect on Earth. They don’t. Earth’s magnetic field does not really affect radio waves, nor do they affect it.” This is incorrect.

    Comment by Mick — April 2, 2009 @ 4:52 am | Reply

  14. your up to bat astrostu206265….good discussion guys

    Comment by Joe — April 2, 2009 @ 5:33 pm | Reply

  15. Mick – a few points.

    First, yes, a loop aerial should have its axis pointed towards the source for the maximum signal. I was not thinking of that type of receiver – we never had one, kinda before my time. I was thinking of a TV antenna with an axis and wires radiating from it. According to techFAQ:

    While installing the antenna on the roof of your home, there are additional tips that you can do to assist in clear reception. 1) The boom of the antenna should be positioned in the direction of the originating transmission tower and, 2) the cross pieces should be placed horizontally or vertically depending on the direction of polarization of the transmitted signal. These steps are important when considering the function and usefulness of a television antenna. If you don’t position the cross pieces correctly, you will contend with issues such as graininess or ghosting while attempting to watch your favorite shows.

    Since the cross-pieces are what you generally see as the “area” of the antenna, that is what I was thinking of.

    Alright, now moving onto the alignment issue. You stated, “You are right the sun earth galactic centre does occur twic e a year but the signficance of this alignment occurring on dec 21 is what seems it distiguish it.” And, “The last time the north pole south pole and galactic centre were all in the same plane 13,000 years ago.” It sure seems as though you’re talking about the alignment that is often referred to in 2012 doomsday ideas, that which I show on this page is not going to happen in 2012 and happened in 1998. Since I’ve addressed this and you now seem to have shifted your claim, I will not be addressing it anymore.

    As for the Mayans, you assume that they chose their calendar based upon some horrible event or some significant astronomical alignment. Neither you, nor any Mayan scholar has presented any evidence for this. As far as my research has shown, no one knows why they set their “zero-date” when they did, andy any supposition about a horrible catastrophe is just an argument from ignorance – you don’t know what happened, so you can fill it with whatever assumption you wish.

    Now for the alignment. You sure seemed to mean that the North/South polar axes would be pointed towards the galactic center: “The last time the north pole south pole and galactic centre were all in the same plane 13,000 years ago the KT (younger dryas) extinction event occurred. … It is the year that they are pointing to, i.e. the nect time the north pole soth pole and galactic centre are in the same plane.” Now you’re saying that this is not what you meant, you just don’t know what alignment you’re looking for? Again, this does not make sense.

    And finally, Earth’s angular tilt (orbital inclination from the ecliptic) of 23.5°. This does not make me suspicious of anything. Why should it? If you’re trying to say that it’s like this because of an external magnetic field, that makes no sense. Jupiter has a much stronger magnetic field than Earth, as does Saturn, and even Mercury. And that’s not even looking at the sun, which has an even stronger field. And yet none of those are aligned towards any galactic source. It’s just random. This is yet another (weak) correlation with implied causation.

    And finally your last comment about the radio waves being affected by Earth’s magnetic field. Technically, you are correct, but only because the magnetic field contains matter – light will not be affected by a magnetic field (light) when in a true vacuum. But, it is a very small effect on the light. Very low-frequency radio waves can be strongly bent by the magnetized plasma that surrounds Earth. Higher frequencies don’t get bent as much. But it’s really the charged particles that one needs to worry about. And any sort of pointing of Earth’s magnetic field towards or away from the galactic center (which WILL NOT HAPPEN IN 2012) will not change the intensity in any significant manner. And regardless, even if I were to pick up your scenario where Earth DOES act like an aerial antenna and it WILL be pointing towards this source in 2012, we’re in 2009 right now. 3 years away from this in your 13,000-year cycle (that’s 0.023% away). That is a miniscule difference, and we should have already seen any effects.

    Comment by astrostu206265 — April 2, 2009 @ 9:18 pm | Reply

  16. 1) You may not have been talking about a loop aerial… I was. and therefore directionality was implied.
    2) The Mayan calender is either coincidentally set 12900 years after the YD event or they worked something out. The former seems more unlikely than the latter. The idea that we have’nt worked it out so it is a coincidence is a bit presumptuous.
    3)”The last time the north pole south pole and galactic centre were all in the same plane 13,000 years ago” NOTICE SAME PLANE. I am not talking about the sun galactic centre alignment or the N S earth axis line but you do not seem to be able to differentiate the two. (I think you are getting tunnel vision).
    4) “Very low-frequency radio waves can be strongly bent by the magnetized plasma that surrounds Earth.” Exactly but your best point is …(that’s 0.023% away) That is the biggest problem I have. I cannot believe that the directionality of a loop reciever can the THAT sensitive.

    A final point before ending. The eddy currents in the earth must have structure for a NET magnetic field to result. We however don’t know/ cannot detect this structure at the surface. There must be a structure there though. If this structure is what is interacting with the LOW FREQUENCY Galactic Radio waves and these radio waves are in the Galactic plane then we have a mechanism. But we don’t know the Earths eddy current structure … Did the Mayans ??? If they did we are going to get a LOT of energy very suddenly ‘again’ Look at Magnetic field strength decays and indeed magnetic levels in rocks at YD boundary.

    So that’s your lot. The galactic plane is the important issue. Parallel to it is ok we don’t have to be on the galactic equator (or pass through it). Eddy current structure is what we are missing. But back to your point, I cannot believe the directionality is that sensitive…. but there are a lot of volcanoes recently, ie increased energy in earth. But 2009 to 2012 surely not!!

    Comment by Mick — April 3, 2009 @ 5:02 am | Reply

  17. I was going to wait till Monday but just for info.. How low a radio frequency could we be talking about? Well we are 26,000 light years from the galactic centre and radio waves travel at the speed of light, the earth precesses once every 26,000 years. That’s a coincidence right?

    Comment by Mick — April 3, 2009 @ 6:21 am | Reply

  18. Mick -

    I have to say I think this conversation is going no where slowly. You have not really addressed my counter points but have pointed to more coincidences and incorrect information. But, to yet again address your points that ask for a response:

    (2) Your numbers are wrong. Scholars think the calendar was started around 3114 BC. The Long Count goes 5125 years. 3114-5125 = 8239 BC. Subtract another 5125 and you get 13,364 BC. With the YD event being 12,900 years ago, or about 10,900 BC, there is absolutely no alignment there. And even if there were a rough alignment of the two “events,” it is still a classical logical fallacy to state that one caused the other when there is a gap of information — it’s still an argument from ignorance fallacy.

    (3) I may have been misreading part of one of your posts, but you seemed to be talking about both. See the two direct lines I quoted from you in Comment #15. In the first one you were definitely talking about the Sun-Earth one. But you also seem to be contradicting yourself. You quote from your comment and say the N/S pole and galactic center were in the same plane, but then say you’re not talking about the N/S axis line. So I can’t address this because you don’t seem to form a consistent question. Regardless – it’s not true that the N/S axes will ever line up with the galactic plane nor center:

    This image shows where the Earth will be pointed in the sky in years + or – from AD1. You’ll note that the axis may brush the thick disk of the galaxy but it still does not actually come close to the plane.

    (4) That’s my point. We would be seeing the effects now but we don’t. Therefore there’s no evidence that this is true.

    (5) I have no idea if you’re correct with the information you present on eddy currents. That is well beyond my field of expertise. So I will have to leave that alone.

    (6) How would the Mayans know? There is no evidence whatsoever that they had any sort of technology to sensitively detect magnetic fields. At this point you are definitely reaching into the realm of conspiracy/UFO-type pseudoscience where somehow civilizations that lived 5000 years ago had significantly more advanced technology than we but all traces/records/evidence for it is conveniently missing. I’ve partially addressed this elsewhere with Atlantis, but I have no desire to get into this realm of pure arguments from ignorance and fantasy.

    (7) I’m actually not sure about how low a radio frequency the site was talking about. As I said before, it’s beyond my realm of expertise and I was quoting from NASA. But the bigger point was that it doesn’t play any important role with this.

    (8) The current estimate of our distance from the center of the galaxy is about 27,500 light-years. Precession, 26,000 years. I don’t see those as being the same, the ~7% difference I think is a coincidence, and there is still no valid, known scientific reason as to how our distance from the center of the galaxy would have any affect upon Earth’s precession. It’s kind of like saying that 2*π=6.28 which is somehow “just coincidence” that it’s so close to our 7-day week.

    Comment by astrostu206265 — April 3, 2009 @ 1:42 pm | Reply

  19. I’m pointing at something but you keep staring at my finger. Lets call it a day.

    Comment by Mick — April 4, 2009 @ 6:39 am | Reply

  20. Astrostu. I don’t mind you being ‘snarky’ (whatever that is) just don’t be wrong.

    I’ll address your ‘points then’. No I am not talking about the alignment. The Mayan calandar stops at dec 21 2012, but they were not implying dec 19 dec 20 dec 21 BANG! It is the year that they were referencing. So forget sun earth Galactic cebtre alignments and think of the earth eg March 21 2012. So forget the sun and the galactic centre and concetrate on the plane of the galaxy and its angle relative to the ecliptic, always 63 deg. What chages with precession is the angle of the galactic plane with the earth ranging from around 80 to around 30 deg. Last time it was at the 2012 angle was YD event (clearly 12960 years ago). It is at this angle when the n pole s pole (ie earths axis) and the galactic centre are in a plane which is perpendicular to the ecliptic plane. THIS is what the Mayan calendar is pointing at. When you say ”there is absolutely no alignment there’ you are just wrong.

    Next point Sutracvting 5126 from 3114 again and again to ‘prove’ no YD correlation is meaningless. Why should it divide in?

    How would the Mayans know about eddy currents? I don’t know maybe they just inhereted a simple calendar from YD survivors (see Mick’s point) and converted it from an incremet to a decrement caledar to warn us of a year. Why would they assume a disaster every half precession maybe weve been here before and in 20 years we will try to warn the next lot.

    OK the 26000 light years was a bit tenuous, but I am looking for a mechanism of destruction. A 7@ measurement error is not brillinat but hardly out the question. They used to estimate the distance as 50,000 light years 1917, the modded it to 30,000 and recently to 27,500 light years. No astronomer who understands the measurements or possible distortions between us and the oject would think 27,500 LY is THE distance unless of course they just read lots of astronomy books and sat exams.

    You should be more careful about ‘logical fallacy’ especially when the acusation is based on fallacious logic. As for ‘ignorance fallacy’ I assure you having a PhD indicates a good student not a good academic. Humility my dear boy humility

    Comment by Mick — April 21, 2009 @ 5:20 am | Reply

  21. Mick – I think us arguing here is futile, as you pointed out on April 4. You seem convinced that very very rough directional alignments or coincidental numerical similarities are a mechanism for something to happen. You also seem to think that the Mayan civilization was much more astronomically advanced than we are today, despite not having any of our measurement/technologic abilities.

    I am not. I have pointed out why several times in several different ways. You have also either altered your claims (originally saying Dec. 21 alignment is important (comment #3), but now saying it’s the year (comment #20), but also agreeing with me that being 4 years away from the event if your antenna idea is correct is completely negligible (comment #16)).

    At this point, I am not going to argue with you, as I do not think that either of us will convince the other. I will let my readers come to their own conclusions based upon the evidence presented.

    Also, for the record, I do not have a Ph.D. I never said I did, but I should in about 2 years. And I assure you that in the programs – both undergraduate and graduate – that I have been in, it was not tests and facts that we were emphasized, it’s the ability to do our own research, to vet other research based upon consensus and what makes sense. I am also in no way attempting to say you are ignorant if you don’t have a Ph.D. in astronomy. I am saying that thinking the Mayan calendar “ends” on a particular date has any astronomical significance is an argument from ignorance because no one knows and so anyone can fill that gap of knowledge with their own ideas.

    Comment by astrostu206265 — April 21, 2009 @ 8:23 am | Reply

  22. Asrtostu

    Argue, me? A Bloke in Italy warned the population about the earthquake based on high Radon levels. Not enough proof they said and jailed him for causing concern.

    All the best with your PhD, two years you say mmm interesting timing.

    I’ll leave you alone now … knowledge is just concensus opinion, don’t trust it. xxx

    Comment by Mick — April 22, 2009 @ 4:55 am | Reply

  23. By the way… if the moon’s gravity causes the tides, then why are there TWO high tides every 24 hours, the answer is out there (wink)

    Comment by Mick — April 22, 2009 @ 5:01 am | Reply

  24. Mick, IM me at aysa888 on yahoo…I’m interested in your theory…..Joe

    Comment by Joe — April 22, 2009 @ 7:27 pm | Reply

  25. Good Grief

    The dec 21 comment was to show you that dec 21 rotates around the sun once every 25920 years. The position of it is a year marker. Mayans say.. On dec 21 which we know because it is the shortest day the sky will look like this or that. If it looks like this the year is xxxx if the sky looks like that on dec 21 the year is yyyy. in the future on a particular year the sky will look like so and so. ITS A CLOCK. The world won’t blow up BECAUSE the hands point upwards, however we may be in trouble WHEN the hands point upwards, or in this case when the sky looks like it does on dec 21 2012. So everyone now says, look dec 21 aligns with the sun and galactic centre, and you say no it doesn’t we are fine. But you are just looking at a clock and saying how can a clock harm us… it can’t. It’s like you are looking forward convincing people that the car will miss us and then get hit from behind by a truck. the car is JUST THE CLOCK. Sky globe shows that it is 3 deg out of alignment.. so the Mayans would say ‘what alignment are you going on and on about’ we just thought you might find the calendar (clock) useful.

    The question is now more subtle and unprovable by logic and reason, why count down, why such a daft number of years 5126 (or 5200 of 360 days which they knew was not a year) why 12960 after YD, why start at an astro marker and end with nothing, why not just increment. But these are questions for someone else.

    Your reasoning is too lax for this. eg 5126 does’nt divide into 12960 so no corellation, 27500 is not 26000 so no corellation (if somestole 27500 dollars from a bank and you caught someone with 26000 dollars outside would you say ‘wrong amount let him go), 2xpye is not 7 and unrelated.

    I’ll keep working but your right there is no alignment.. well done!

    Comment by Mick — April 23, 2009 @ 5:31 am | Reply

  26. Hey Joe, hope you are still there. I don’t really have a robust theory yet just some ideas. So far we have established that there is no alignment (or indeed intended alignment by the Mayans). However it is a BIG clock. We also know that the ancients kept complaining about the sky falling on their heads, but they didn’t know why. We now know that the magnetic field of the earth is not as stable/constant as we thought. The evidence does imply that it keeps failing and reestablishing itself at far stronger levels. The YD rocks have very high magnetic levels. We unfortunately do not know how or why the earth has a magnetic field. Rotating molten metal does not really generate a magnetic field, thats just something ‘experts’ say when they mean ‘I don’t know’.

    So we have a problem. The timings? Mayans gave us a calendar and an ability to syncronise it with our own calendar using an astro marker (Birth of Venus)and counted down to 2012. Yes it could just start up again but this makes no sense. The Bible (don’t panic) has a prophecy of Daniel, 70 prophetic years (360 days) after Israel established (May 14 1948) then it’s all over. Thats 69 real years 2017. Seven prophetic years of chaos befor that(6.9 real years) brings us to June 21 2010. Half way through and its a REAL mess(3.5 years) takes us to Dec 2013. This is obviously in the region of the Mayan Dec 2012. And ‘it is said’ (they talk like that in the Bible) ‘it will be like in the times of Noah’. What they mean is ‘it will be EXACTLY like in the times of Noah, because its the same event happening again. (People will be hosting websites than the end will come)

    As for Sitchins Nibiru… 3,600 year orbit. 3600, 7200, 2160, 25920 12960 these are all so called precessional numbers. Why would a planet cross our orbit in a period related to our precession period, it doesn’t know out period (neither does the Sun for solar flare supporters). We are probably standing on Nibiru. If you go out on a clear night and look down you will see Nibiru.

    So we have lots of weeks to sort this problem out so don’t bother worrying. We could really do with knowing why the Earth’s field keeps recharging and indeed why we have one at all. The only significant sources of energy out their are the Sun (big and close) and Galactic centre (or Galactic plane). So the field dynamics are either a phenomena internal to the earth or an external phenomena. The rest is still to be worked out. Can we do anything about it? I suspect not. People are decorating caves and tunnels I know. I am just interested in the problem and got fed up with eating bananas and thinking I was intelligent. Good Luck.

    Comment by Mick — April 24, 2009 @ 4:59 am | Reply

  27. Mick -

    While, as I said in my last comment, I am no longer going to debate you on this general topic as I think it would be fruitless, I need to address one of your latest claims:

    We unfortunately do not know how or why the earth has a magnetic field. Rotating molten metal does not really generate a magnetic field, thats just something ‘experts’ say when they mean ‘I don’t know’.

    That is not correct. When experts don’t know, they usually say they don’t know. The current model is basic physics: There are generally randomized electric currents in the liquid nickel-iron outer core. Convection of the liquid metal, along with the Coriolis effect (from Earth’s rotation) roughly organizes the currents along the N/S spin axis, and the moving electrically currents create a magnetic field. When more electric-conducting fluid metal flows across itself, it induces a stronger magnetic field. This reinforces the original field, making it stronger, into a self-perpetuating dynamo.

    Same thing with Jupiter and Saturn, only there it’s believed to be added to by the metallic liquid hydrogen low in their atmospheres.

    Comment by astrostu206265 — April 24, 2009 @ 7:07 pm | Reply

  28. Hi Mick

    I have had it confirmed by Sir Patric Moore that the latest measurements indicate a distance to galactic centre of ‘around’ 26,000 light years. If I were you I would forget the galactic center and concentrate on the Galactic Plane orientation relative to the earth as it changes during precession.

    I have read this discussion several times and in 20 years of research I have never seen such a trail of misinterpretation misreading and misdirection. Even now..
    ‘There are generally randomized electric currents in the liquid nickel-iron outer core’ This is far from ‘known’ just speculation. How are they generated? Roughly organises the currents? This is not research this is guessing. Is yhis deliberate or just careless, very careless

    You are right though the reader will make up their own mind.

    Comment by Steve — April 25, 2009 @ 4:03 am | Reply

  29. Steve -

    This is a direct quote from “The Cosmic Perspective,” 3rd ed., by Bennett, Donahue, Schneider, and Voit (p. 262) the standard undergraduate astronomy text (for non-majors) across the US:

    Planets … may have charged particles in motion in their metallic cores. In the Earth, for example, molten metals rise and fall in convection cells in the liquid outer core. At the same time, the moletn material spins each day with Earth’s rotation. The result is that electrons in the molten metals move within Earth’s outer core in much the same way they move in an electromagnet, generating Earth’s magnetic field.

    We can generalize these ideas in other worlds. There are three basic requirements for a global magnetic field:

    (1) An interior region of electrically conducting fluid (liquid or gas), such as molten metal.

    (2) Convection in that layer of fluid.

    (3) At least moderately rapid rotation.

    … For example, Jupiter’s strong magnetic field comes from its rapid rotation and its layer of convecting, metallic hydrogen that conducts electricity. The Sun’s magnetic field is generated by the combination of convection of ionized gas (plasma) and its interior and rotation.

    You are right in that this is not “known” for a fact – we have no “direct” observations that there are metals rising and falling in Earth’s core. But we know how magnetic fields can be produced. We have models supported by observable evidence that explains what happens inside Earth, and if you put the two together, you get this. There is NO other theory of the magnetic dynamo that is accepted by scientists. And if you want to debate what a “theory” is – and this is a theory – then you can see my post on what science means by “facts,” “hypotheses,” “theories,” and “laws.”

    Comment by astrostu206265 — April 25, 2009 @ 9:46 am | Reply

  30. Astrostu

    “MAY have charged particles in motion…” All the physical models tried with rotating molten metal, admitedly not many have all come across the same problem, that is they can sustain a magnetic field with metal rotation but they cannot initiate the field in the first place. But there is clearly a source of current to initiate the field. The question therefore remains what is this source of current. You cannot just say ‘there is a current because there is a current’. This does not solve the basic problem ‘we don’t know’. A theory is not a solution it is just a guess until it is proved. If has not been proved the answer is ‘I don’t know’. What you keep doing is confusing what we/you know with what we/you think. This is a road to nowhere.

    Comment by Steve — April 27, 2009 @ 5:45 am | Reply

  31. Steve, you are mis-reading the quote. The “may have charged particles in motion” refers to planets in general. Earth does. Mars doesn’t. Hence the “may” referring to “planets.”

    You are also confusing “theory” with “hypothesis.” That is why I linked to my post on the terminology. Also, nothing is ever “proved” in science the same way you have proofs in mathematics — you can verify things based upon experimentation and observation, but you can never “prove” it because there could always be a deeper-level theory to explain it (e.g., Newton’s Theory of Gravity was verified by observations for centuries, but then Einstein’s Relativity came along and showed that while Newton’s formulation worked, there was something deeper going on).

    In addition, theories do not have to explain everything about a topic. For example, the Theory of Evolution has nothing at all to do with life’s origins. The Theory of Relativity says nothing about why massive objects curve space. Similarly, the Dynamo Theory says nothing about how the field originated, only why it is maintained. I could hypothesize (and have modeled) that basic thermodynamics will set up a convection cell in the Earth’s core, and hence you have your moving metal to start the field. But I don’t know this for sure.

    Comment by astrostu206265 — April 27, 2009 @ 12:07 pm | Reply

  32. “may have charged particles in motion… Earth does. Mars doesn’t.” ??? Mars does have a very weak magnetic field. Never mind I’ll leave that point.
    I agree with your above points but what we are looking for here is a model that explains some more of the obsevrvable or at least known phenomena. As ‘moving charge’ is the definition of a current we need a theory to explain why the charge (vast amounts of it) is there in Earth. The Earth is at a potential of approx 30KV relative to the upper atmosphere and is therefore clearly highly charged, a sort of capacitor with a dielectric. The magnetic field decays over vast periods of time, and then recovers. If this is due to the decay of the charge due to imperfect dielectric properties then all of the observations of mag field are explained… except one.
    How and why does the Earth become charged and secondly, could this process be catastrophic to the planet surface.

    This is what Mick has been trying to talk about, he is clearly looking for this mechanism. Your comments about him changing his stance do not appear to be true. All he has been saying is ‘forget the galactic center alignment and Dec 21, both appear to be conjurings of Jenkins mind’ Look for a catastropy mechanism. What I have tried to clarify is why he appears to be looking for a catastrophy/charging mechanism. Sorry Mick that was all a bit presumptuous.

    1)Subtract another 5125 and you get 13,364 BC.
    2)How would the Mayans know? There is no evidence whatsoever that they had any sort of technology to sensitively detect magnetic fields.
    3)You quote Mick “You are right the sun earth galactic centre does occur twice a year but the signficance of this alignment occurring on dec 21 is what seems it distiguish it.”

    1) Not really a logical or relevant statement if Mayns calendar did not preceed 3114 BC. AND ‘we don’t know’ if it did.
    2)How would the Mayans know? OR what DID the Mayans know? We don’t know.
    3)”occurring on dec 21 is what seems it distiguish it.” His point seems to be ‘distiguish it for the Mayans’. Dec 21 is a heck of a target to hit from five thousand years earlier. Why that target, well ‘we don’t know.’ Was the calendar designed to start up again after 2012? ‘we don’t know’.

    So just concentrate on the Mag field decay and reestablishment and some answers may become clearer. or may not!

    Comment by Steve — April 28, 2009 @ 4:19 am | Reply

  33. Correction 400,000 volts

    Quote “In Teslas’ time not much was known about the Ionosphere. We now know that this, along with the Earth form a Sphere-in-a-sphere capacitor fed by the solar winds, which are driven by the Van Allen belts which act as the driving current with the molten inner earth acting as the induced current. The atmosphere acts as a leaky capacitor. The Earth and Ionosphere are about 55 Kilometers apart. In short the Earth is like a giant generator in space.”

    Not sure how this helps.

    Comment by Steve — April 28, 2009 @ 4:34 am | Reply

  34. Steve

    The van allen belt might be the solution. YD csmic debris was assumed to be a comet. The Van Allen belt contains 1000′s of years of meteorite debris and high levels of charged particles. It is supported by the magnetic field. (see where I am going with this). Is it possible that at a certain critical magnetic field decay (due to earth charge decay ie ‘leaky dielectric’) the Van Allen belt cannot be supported and collapses. The YD was no comet impact. The stories of the ‘sky collapsing’ and ‘catching fire’, stars falling from the sky’. The van allen belt would recharge the earth and reestablish the field. This would make the field cyclical and not steady state.

    Comment by Mick — April 29, 2009 @ 5:23 am | Reply

  35. Mick

    Gates of Heaven above, you may have done it. People should think about this very carefully, but they won’t. Not enough romance or convention in it. We should probably leave it now and enjoy the rest of our lives. You clever banana eater.

    All the best and peace.

    Comment by Steve — April 30, 2009 @ 4:25 am | Reply

  36. Steve

    “The performance was a great success but the audience was as disaster”
    Oscar Wilde

    Take care

    Comment by Mick — May 1, 2009 @ 4:07 am | Reply

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  40. But is it true that what makes 2012 slightly more interesting is that the two days on which the Sun will cross the galactic plane that year happen to align with the two solstices. This happens only once about every 13,000 years?

    Comment by Caleb — June 19, 2009 @ 1:57 am | Reply

  41. Caleb – As I attempted to explain, this happens for several decades surrounding the closest crossing of the galactic plane. The most exact alignment of the crossing with the winter solstice was in 1998. In 2012, part of the disk of the sun will reside on the galactic latitude of 0°, but only a very small part of the limb. So I suppose, yes, this is relatively rare and happens “once” every 13,000 years, BUT, this occurs for several decades due to the sun appearing as a physical disk from Earth’s distance.

    Comment by astrostu206265 — June 23, 2009 @ 8:26 pm | Reply

  42. the mayans never said that the world would end 0n dec 21 2012 the calender just simply states that its the end of the great cycle and the begining of a new age thats all

    Comment by Billy parks — July 23, 2009 @ 2:52 pm | Reply

  43. if the worls really does end in 2012 then its gods will so what is the point of argueing over it beside neither side has offered 100 percent fact that it will or wont happen all we can do is sit back relax and see what happens

    Comment by Billy parks — July 23, 2009 @ 2:57 pm | Reply

    • Billy Parks

      Please know that god has not even been proven to a fraction of a percentage. In a forum about facts please leave fantasy in its place because that is all religion is. FANTASY

      Comment by twotonsofun — April 4, 2010 @ 1:10 pm | Reply

  44. doh! homer retard me thins!


    you moron!

    it is the earth that crosses the galactic plane, the centre of that (sort of) flat disc we call the mikly way. we go above it and below it every 26,000 yrs.

    the sun will, and heres the key word, APPEAR to rise in the centre of the mikly way

    in other words, the sun will eclipse us from the centre of our galaxy. our mother, our father, our creator.

    then when you are cut off from your energy source will you go totally insane being completely unprepared for your starvation of unknown sustinance!

    low conciousness being!


    Comment by mike — July 28, 2009 @ 6:20 am | Reply

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  46. For all of the research that I have done I cannot find ANY solar or galactic configuration which is unique to dec 21 2012. All of the quoted configurations equally apply to the preceeding years. Does anyone know of any UNIQUE configurations for dec 21 2012?

    Comment by Steve — March 18, 2010 @ 4:45 am | Reply

  47. Interesting subject: The Sun orbits around the Milky Way at an orbital velocity of 550,000 mph. It takes 212Million years to complete 1 orbit. The Sun orbits a distance of about 600Million miles each month. Could the Sun’s orbit intercept the Great Rift (molecular dust clouds), or some other celestial entity on its journey through the Universe, between now and 2012? When one considers that the Milky Way orbits around something else, our position in the Universe will certainly be UNIQUE in 2012.

    Comment by Harry Collison — May 29, 2010 @ 8:18 am | Reply

  48. Are we all going to die?

    Comment by lauren — November 1, 2010 @ 12:10 pm | Reply

    • No.

      Comment by Stuart Robbins — November 1, 2010 @ 1:16 pm | Reply

  49. Well, Yes.

    Comment by Ben — November 5, 2010 @ 6:11 am | Reply

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  51. Guys guys guys its only a theroy.Im 8 years old.Nothing is going to happen on Dec,21,2012.If you watch DECODED it tells you about Wait EVENWISE Planet X’s Orbit is way beyond PLUTO!!!!!!!!!!How can it get like 70o away from Us!!!!!!If its like a gas planet just gas will effect the OZONE so we wont have the sun.ITS JUST THE END OF THE F***ING MAYAN CALLENDER!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Cleary — February 5, 2011 @ 9:09 pm | Reply

  52. C’mon guys Planet X’s Orbit is around pluto.It is so far away from us.When i watched the Noturdomus Efect it showed that if planet X’s Face moves right on earth we could get burned up because the force is so strong.Back 2.3 BC when the dinosaurs were here when the issue of them getting killed by meteors the end of them was near.Will that happen to us getting hit by meteors.Well if 2012 happens after we die or survivors will live will we have,a Zombie Apacalipse???

    Comment by Cleary — February 21, 2011 @ 6:07 pm | Reply

  53. No Wee Willl Not Die NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Cleary — March 12, 2011 @ 10:35 am | Reply

  54. I just have one thing to say i was reading a passage on the internet and it said that you would be able to see two moons and now on another it say you will not be able to see it all
    what up with that will you or will you not? all i know is the earth has a way of cleaning it self and earthquakes and other naturals things that go on is a big part of this .sure there things out there that we don’t know about this earth and be on .and there isn’t very much we can do but live and don’t be afraid when the end does come .

    Comment by patsy — March 14, 2011 @ 8:26 pm | Reply

  55. Hey guys did you hear abput the tsunami in Japan.Is that part of 2012???

    Comment by Cleary — March 19, 2011 @ 12:50 pm | Reply

  56. Hey Guys my dad told me that Planet X {Nibru} its name was not nibru its Sedna.Its a Dwarf Planet But My thoughts were its a brown dwarf because,When it passes it will rise to 100′F..But is it like pluto???Is it an ice ball???Will it deystroy all of 6 Billion People {Mankind}????Or will people survive??Im to young to die!I dont WANT TO DIE!!!!!!!!!IM ONLY 9 YEARS OLD!!!Well if i survive im going to Antartica to the seed shelter so I can plant them,Because all of the plants died.If Antartica melts its too late :{………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    Comment by Cleary — March 21, 2011 @ 6:30 pm | Reply

  57. I’m afraid yo are not going to die (well not soon anyway). You will hear a lot of this type of garabage on the tv and internet but you need to do some research to see what nuts there are out there. Going to school will help you to do research so I’m afraid you can’t get out of going to school by planning to live in Antartica. Anyway it’s bloody freezing down there!

    Comment by Mick — March 22, 2011 @ 5:21 am | Reply

    • Dude is there anything in antartica in 2012 that we can Survive with?I heard that some Scientests live or work down in that Freezing Hell hole..When I watched a TV show when I was sick one day.It showed people who were traveling to a “Safe House”.It stored Seeds,Food,Animals? and I think some Air-Condition.I think it said 1-5 Days later.A Tsunami plumited toward the “Safe House”.It got washed away…If they do survive .They would plant the seeds and Feed the animals.Starting a New life all over again…..

      Comment by Cleary — October 19, 2011 @ 10:56 am | Reply

  58. But What is hapening in Japan Earthquakes,Tsunamis???Iss all of that part of 2012.WAIT IMPORTANT!!!!!!If 2012 will happen right before 11:11am{When Catastrophy happpens}Would we be able to travel to a space station Nearby where we live and escape,And go To Mars???????Well ill prey that 2012 wont come……-_-

    Comment by Cleary — April 11, 2011 @ 9:28 am | Reply

  59. I dont care if im right or wrong,What if all of the planets lead their gravitational pull onto earth,If the geavitational pull is too too strong will all of the planets crash into earth..JUST A GUESS!……zzz WAIT what if a meteor comes toward earth if we have a good enough armored satalite or a space shuttle that we can control from earth to leave a bomb that we can make thats so powerful it can annihilate the meteor to make it go into bunches of smaller meteors the size of 430 page books………………………….Ill tipe another comment in 3 weeks or sooner

    Comment by Cleary — May 12, 2011 @ 6:07 pm | Reply

  60. I Wonder What Will Happen

    Comment by Cleary — June 16, 2011 @ 10:47 am | Reply

  61. i understand what ur saying , but how are we to know if anything strange will or will not happen ,we as a race were not recording any written language 26,500 years ago maybe there is a gamm burst or a raido signal that can just hit us on that angle that day.i dont believe any of this hoo ha but keep an open mind the human race has never wittnessed this day on dec 21 2012 before and recorded it or have we many cultures say on that date something happens every 26500 years maby thru stoey telling at cave fires we passed down a human race expeirenced phenomenon its kinda weird all these old cultures who never talked have the same date and veiws mankind wont all go away but maybe the earth has growing pains during its trip thru the middle of the milkyway maby there is a gravatational pull from some unknown black hole or holes we dont know but try n keep an open mind a stubborn mind is an easily beaten mind

    Comment by bille joe mcguvin — November 8, 2011 @ 1:38 pm | Reply

    • There is a difference between (1) keeping an open mind, (2) saying that something will happen based on someone’s predictions, (3) saying that something will happen based on apparent alignments, and (4) saying that something could happen just ’cause. You seem to be advocating 1 and 4, which are fine, but the purpose of this post is arguing against 3. There is no alignment in how the sky looks.

      Comment by Stuart Robbins — November 8, 2011 @ 4:42 pm | Reply

  62. Umm.Also for bille joe mcguvin BAD GRAMMAR! So when I read Stuart Roberts post.I started to think a little.He said “(4) Saying that something COULD happen just cause .You seem to be advocating 1 and 4,which are fine. There is no alignment in how the sky looks.” :D…When his post said “There is no alignment in how the sky looks.” There wont be a Perfect alignment (Thats what people said).Even on someone’s Prediction,It might not happen at all! Or they just wanted people scared and try to Believe the happenings on Dec 21,2012.Have you seen 2012??? The world cant collapse on itself by BREAKING APART! (In my book Atlas of the Universe theres a Theroy of the Universe Extending to much.It will Either Overwhelm gravity.(The big Rip) or it will keep Expanding.) also IM NOT A TROLL!

    Comment by Cleary — November 17, 2011 @ 4:04 pm | Reply

  63. Wow! this guy knows more than the Mayan’s!! Yeah right just another Johnny come lately de-bunker planted by the secret goverment.

    Comment by Jack — November 20, 2011 @ 4:36 pm | Reply

    • 1. The Mayans never “claimed” anything about this, much less what the sky looks like.
      2. Do you have any evidence that the sky looks different from this?
      3. Do you have any evidence that there’s anything significant about non-alignments?

      Comment by Stuart Robbins — November 20, 2011 @ 4:52 pm | Reply

  64. How can a human being whos only been alive 5 minutes in cosmic time know more than the very highly advanced Pleiadian, Andromeden, Arcturian messengers who live hundreds of our years & are already in the future & have already witnessed this and much more. lol

    Comment by Jack — November 20, 2011 @ 4:51 pm | Reply

  65. This just a skeptic’s view (low consciousness evolution being)!!……. Ive had a few out of body experiences & as vivid & real as any waking moment, Travelled through walls & seen not only the tiny wooden atoms & particles that make up the wall floating or vibrating (to be more precise) in mid air but also the mass of space in between each one. (similar to viewing the universe planets & stars in space)
    Ive been out in space & turned round to grasp my own silver cord in my hand & looked back down to Earth.
    Ive seen ghosts/spirits as dark wobbly jelly like smoke mists, Ive seen my mothers spirit a dark grey form just after she passed & heard her voice say goodbye at the time,
    Ive seen beings from other dimensions and has able to touch and or feel them as if anybody in this world – e.g A small hobbit, trollish/cave man like person perhaps from inner earth? Very mischeivious & liked playing pranks on people although i never heard him speak.
    He was about 3 or 4ft tall, small but stocky build, big square fists & feet for his size with large curly hair on his feet, fingers & face with bushy hair on his head, a beard, a large snout type of nose which made sort of a snorting noise when he breathed, And he had horns popping out of his hair like a cows.
    I’d seem to be the only one who could see him at the time although i know others could feel him as i had seen him a few times pinch & or slap a young woman on the bottom at a bar i was at & they would immediately turn around & look but they would be looking right behind at their head height which was way above his at which time he’d be holding his hand to his face & laughing his head off but also making a snorting sound with his snout like nose lol.
    Funny he wore a black leather vest & some home made pink shorts cut off roughly all ziz zaggy like Fred Flinstone would wear lol.
    The last time i saw this being i’d seen him waving goodbye & besides him were many more if not his family all waving goodbye standing at the opening of a cave entrance.

    I don’t care what anyone else’s skeptic or negative opinions & thoughts might be? because i don’t have to prove to anyone else or the world if what ive seen or experienced is real or not to them!
    But i know for me it was all real & is possible, but maybe not all on a 3rd dimensional world or reality as most expect it to be….
    And maybe if more human beings were more open minded to possibillities & more accepting of those that are different from ourselves & see them as being equals & having an equal right to exist without being judged, controlled or feared then many more of us might have contact with other beings or see whats out there that we are not presently accepting of being a part of reality.

    Comment by Jack — November 20, 2011 @ 5:48 pm | Reply

  66. As you can clearly see, there is no galactic alignment on this date. It already happened. And nothing happened. And in reality, the winter solstice has absolutely no relative importance in astronomy, just like alignments have no importance in astronomy (in the context of affecting Earth in a doomsday-like scenario). So, even if there were going to be an alignment – which there isn’t – it would have no importance anyway. It would happen every year. In fact, the sun crosses the plane of the galaxy twice every year … and yet nothing happens.

    I know I’ve berated this claim many times now, but it’s important. I still see people making the claim. Please take note: It is baseless! And even if it weren’t, it wouldn’t matter anyway!

    Comment by Cleary — January 26, 2012 @ 7:08 pm | Reply

  67. Please listen to this comment,

    On the new they announced a big meteor is coming this way for earth. It was about 2.5 Kilometers wide, (Almost wider than the meteor that hit Arizona). We need to prepare for this impact, but NASA is building some device to do something to the meteor. If we just break it to pieces, thats even worse because all those (Half Kilometer wide meteorites) thats going to cause too many earthquakes. Just hope that NASA is doing something about this threat to humanity…

    Thanks for reading this..

    Comment by xenarus — May 3, 2012 @ 7:07 am | Reply

  68. Heres one thought, how do they not know when someones going to die, but they can predict the end of the world?

    Comment by xenarus — May 3, 2012 @ 7:09 am | Reply

  69. 4 months left to stock up on spam. Series of small earthquakes in California this month…hottest July on record in US…of more concern: Whackjob goes nuts killing people at a movie…nuther one goes off at a mosque…I am more worried about what nutjobs will do in the days leading up to the end of the mayan calendar.

    Comment by Neil — August 9, 2012 @ 11:13 pm | Reply

    • Wow I feel like I’m in a ‘Twilight Zone’ novel … all this is way too much to comprehend!!! Neil it is my utmost belief that ‘HAARP’ is the cause of the horrible disasters, F-5 Tornados – Tsunamis – Earthquakes, have you taken notice that not only in the USA but other countries the weather has been very strange, unstable having killing people?. Well read up on ‘HAARP’ it’s ‘America’s newest weapon to combat war however it seems our own country is declaring war on innocent people. Go on YouTube and type in ‘HAARP’, oh and those ‘ChemTrails’ we’re breathing that poison in our lungs that they are spraying our skys with, also that poison has killed the ‘Honeybees’, birds (Hummingbirds) as well. I have noticed a lot of woodland creatures has just disappeared. Of course the ‘Government’ won’t tell us the truth about what they are doing, but someone needs to make them stop this . Last weekend we had a Thunderstorm, well was not like any thunderstorm I ever heard in my life. The thunder was NOT from nature as we know it, for over eight hours the thunder was ‘Sonic Booms’ (I know what a Sonic Boom sounds like) and normal thunder does not break people windows, the Lightening was not normal either it was massive super bright balls of light in the sky, not the lightening bolts we are so use to seeing. Oh and for the past three years here on the East Coast we have broken record heat temps. I think launching missles and blowing up the ‘Northern Side’ of the Moon has a vast impact on the Polar Region, that is why the Ice Caps are melting …. And they blame it on Global Warming … that’s a real joke, If the world does come to an end I just gave you the people behind it.

      Comment by Celt — September 4, 2012 @ 8:47 am | Reply

  70. I read what I could on Wikipedia…One obvious thing stood out. Europe has a station transmitting 1 GW of ERP, Russia has one transmitting 190 MW of ERP and the American station in Alaska only transmits at 3.6 MW…A likely story. As if the americans would have the lowest transmitting power!
    I’m no scientist but I believe there is a basic rule or understanding that it is impossible to study something without changing it. If you are purposefully heating or disturbing the ionosphere, you must be altering it. Prolonged manipulation has to have consequences!
    I wish I knew more physics and meteorology and such but I have enough on my plate with my current studies. Hopefully I can complete them before the impending apocalypse! According to Dan Brown in The Lost Symbol, apocalypse means change. That’s why I use the term, not because I think doom is upon us.

    Comment by Neil — September 6, 2012 @ 3:36 am | Reply


      Comment by lou you — November 20, 2012 @ 12:41 am | Reply

  71. The solar syste bobs up and down through the galactic arem every 260 million years. You have to define what you mean by galatic alignment. From earths point of view it might line up with line of sight but the fact is no human was alive the last time this happenned.

    Comment by Maverick — September 11, 2012 @ 2:40 pm | Reply

  72. Who made up this planet x doomsday b.s. anyway?

    Comment by Ian — October 27, 2012 @ 11:45 pm | Reply

    • Lots of different people have had their own twist on the idea. From what I can gather, it was a real thing until the early 1900s before it was adopted by many different people for their own goals.

      Comment by Stuart Robbins — October 28, 2012 @ 11:03 am | Reply

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